Urgent: Fix Online Tournament Fairness in DSJ4

[Xinitiao]

If it's so easy and wthe wind changes for the better in 5sec in every contest why don't you wait for it too?

[Jacek Michalak]

Better at the game XD do you even hear yourself? No, no, they're not better, that's why everyone has a problem with it. The conditions change a lot, and they’re not better, they just wait for the wind to turn in their favor in every contest so they can win. They should be ashamed of it, and Jussi should finally change it.

[Xinitiao]

Better at the game XD do you even hear yourself? No, no, they're not better, that's why everyone has a problem with it. The conditions change a lot, and they’re not better, they just wait for the wind to turn in their favor in every contest so they can win. They should be ashamed of it, and Jussi should finally change it.

Better at the game XD do you even hear yourself? No, no, they're not better, that's why everyone has a problem with it. The conditions change a lot, and they’re not better, they just wait for the wind to turn in their favor in every contest so they can win. They should be ashamed of it, and Jussi should finally change it.

Nice double account though

[tomsaedsjocik]

You call it a plague, I'll call it players getting to know the mechanics and getting better at the game

stop yapping

[Jussi Koskela]

Would reducing the start light time to 3 seconds be a good compromise? It's possible to adjust it directly from the server settings.

[Maciejo-96]

Maybe freezing the wind when sitting on startgate will be the thing which could work well enough? I think further reducing the start light time won't work well enough...

[wap]

I think 3 seconds is a good compromise. Starting at 1.5 seconds, in the worst-case scenario, we will have 1.5 seconds of worse conditions.

[Jacek Michalak]

3 seconds? Always something, but I think that in tournaments where skill counts there should be an automatic push. One guy writes here that it is about finding a way to be better at DSJ, which is so absurd XD Because such players are weak and try to win something by waiting, secondly, apart from the fact that such tournaments are unfair, the competitions last for a very long time,

[Jacek Michalak]

Of course Jussi automatic push or 1 second is only supposed to be in tournaments not in regular online play.

[Dangerous Dave]

Personally I start the jump right away, but I don't understand how waiting is "unfair" when anyone can do it. Nobody's forcing you to start your jump immediately. Besides, I sometimes eat/drink or do other things between jumps and the 5 seconds help me get prepared in time to jump.

On the other hand, I think it would be nice if everyone jumped in the exact same conditions, but in this case Jussi has to decide if he wants his game to be somewhat realistic or if it should be fair and competitive.

I also find it crazy that people care so much about such little things while they ignore actual problems like the absolute mess that is offline jumping for personal/world records.

[Tom2]

Maybe freezing the wind when sitting on startgate will be the thing which could work well enough? I think further reducing the start light time won't work well enough...

I was talking about that over 3 years ago, glad you still at least remember...

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And, obviously, my opinion hasn't changed on that matter.

[Siatko]

5 seconds is really not much. In real life you have 60 seconds to jump automatic start is humanly harmful, it does not allow you to concentrate, so 5 seconds is the optimal time. The only sensible solution would be to freeze the conditions for the competition, if it bothers you that much. 5 seconds is a small time and it's a shame to remove it.

[SoBo]

5 seconds is really not much. In real life you have 60 seconds to jump automatic start is humanly harmful, it does not allow you to concentrate, so 5 seconds is the optimal time. The only sensible solution would be to freeze the conditions for the competition, if it bothers you that much. 5 seconds is a small time and it's a shame to remove it.

Any developer, he tries his best make your game as fair as possible. DSJ 4 Online has never been fair, there was one problem "gibbon".Then the "no skill" players, wrote on chat/forum that gibbon is cheat or macro.I use this type take-off myself, just because , i had to learn this in order to be better at computer games than others.Then suddenly the developer had an idea, attempts to remove the gibbon because a group of people were putting pressure on him, that it helps to achieve better distances Offline or Online.Jussi was not able to change this, so when creating the ski hills they came to the conclusion, to make it harder for the gibbons, we will change the values so that they don't have WR Gate with perfect wind too often, this will be a punishment for them.It brought such results, that now we have 1000 hills, and we play WOT more than 60% on tailwinds(way to go).So how it all didn't work one player came up with an idea to deceive everyone I'll start "waiting", and immediately the next one started doing the same what caused frustration, in many top players but in his team they were happy, and they repeated congratulations, they use gibbon you waited and won,you are the best.According to these people at that time this was optimal player behavior, because you have to make up for something.But the years passed by, and a new generation of players has arrived who quickly learned "gibbon", they caught up with the rest in skill and they spotted a huge bug in the game that has been around for years, waiting allows you to get better distance, in principle, of course if you perfect jump (you've got the skill),and now they are taking advantage of this long-standing slip, and they have every right to do so.Jussi himself many times he repeated that the waiting according to his it can make you "lucky",but he never play DSJ Online on a daily basis and did not make the online game fair, how it works and each of us knows that it works, and that in 75% of cases waiting tailwind you will jump a few meters further, and vice versa if there is a weak wind WR you wait until 0.1 then in most cases, and you will fall from 1st place to 20th at that moment and is this "happiness" ?Players don't want to play wot for more than an hour, adding several people who have problems with the internet and disconnecting them it's irritating, but these are the times we live in, not others and all you need is set the same conditions for everyone during the jump and simply the best will win.Of course I don't think it will be implemented, because someone who doesn't play DSJ 4 Online knows better than the players and you will continue to write here about the windwaiters, gibbons etc, and you will write it among yourselves,because the same problem has been going on for years and will stay with us forever.

[blackdog111111]

Gibbon is not a cheat, it's just a mouse movement that can be learned, and it's not unfair because it really takes time to master it. Waiting is also not a cheat, but a huge injustice that makes players lose their will to play. Tournaments are unfair because even if you made a perfect jump and would have won, but didn't win because some player with a poor jump won by waiting for the wind, that’s very unfair and unpleasant. For DSJ to be fair, there needs to be automatic pushing or freezing the wind at the take-off ramp, and that's it.
Jussi just needs to do this to make the game better....

[blackdog111111]

If jussi really doesn't do anything about it, I don't know where DSJ will be. Now there are too many waiters, too many. Tournaments are simply torture and an hour taken out of your life. Such unpleasant trash...