New fis rules - giant hills

[Xinitiao]

Pages 47, 48, 68 in the new fis rules: https://assets.fis-ski.com/f/252177/x/c ... rkedup.pdf
And a nice table in the polish wikipedia show the new classification of hills https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoczni ... rciarskich

There is a new Giant Hill classification with K 135-164 HS 150-184 and 1,6 pts/m

Interestingly, according to FIS something with K 165-179 HS 185-199 is not a hill Maybe apply 1,4 pts/m for these hills in DSJ?

And if you will implement new pts/m, please also make it so that hills where K=HS use K for pts/m calculations so that i.e. Harrachov K180 has 1,2 pts/m

[Jussi Koskela]

DSJ4 is using the K values to determine pts/m, so retro hills won't be a problem.
It's interesting indeed that there's a gap between the definition of giant and flying hills. They really should think of DSJ4 custom hills when defining the rules.

I'll have to think a bit how to handle this. The old replay files e.g. have the points stored in their metadata based on the old meter values.

[Xinitiao]

DSJ4 is using the K values to determine pts/m, so retro hills won't be a problem.

Ooops, I meant points for reaching K value - it should be 120 pts, but on Harrachov K180 it's 60 pts, so the jump points are weirdly low compared to other ski flying hills.

[Severin]

On background info, these new rules are put into motion because Harrachov wants to renew their hills and will start with the now K125 which will be transformed into such a giant hill.
Or supposedly should be transformed. With Harrachov I will only start to believe it once it's in progress

Interestingly this also opens up the possibilty to make WIllingen bigger

[Jussi Koskela]

I have now implemented the new meter value & hill classification rules for the upcoming release.
I decided that the hills with HS 185-199 will also be considered as giant hills and the meter value for hills with K 165-179 will be 1.4 pts/m.

I also fixed the support for legacy hills whose size is defined by K-point (K=HS), so that their size classification will be based on the K-point value instead of HS.

Old replays will show the points according to the original calculation.

[kasztan11]

I have now implemented the new meter value & hill classification rules for the upcoming release.
I decided that the hills with HS 185-199 will also be considered as giant hills and the meter value for hills with K 165-179 will be 1.4 pts/m.

I also fixed the support for legacy hills whose size is defined by K-point (K=HS), so that their size classification will be based on the K-point value instead of HS.

Old replays will show the points according to the original calculation.

Great! Thank you so much

[Xinitiao]

I have now implemented the new meter value & hill classification rules for the upcoming release.

Great!

DSJ4 is using the K values to determine pts/m, so retro hills won't be a problem.

Ooops, I meant points for reaching K value - it should be 120 pts, but on Harrachov K180 it's 60 pts, so the jump points are weirdly low compared to other ski flying hills.

Has this been fixed too?

[Jussi Koskela]

Yes, Harrachov K180 will be considered as a ski flying hill and K will be worth 120 points.