Gibbon - #FIX_Gibbon

[he10th3r310]

I agree with the post. Create DSJ5 together (community project), fix the bugs, recreate physics, remove possibility of cheating, and maybe I buy the game and play with you guys again.

[SoBo]

In my opinion, I think the removal of the gibbon, is a very good idea, it should be worked out calmly, without any rush, to be fine-tuned for next season already, or test no gibbon in the WOTs in the Summer.

That's how i read your comments, and I am wondering do you think removing the gibbon in your case help you get better results? Ansewr is NO.And not only you, but all the rest.A simple example for you and for those mediocre people in DSJ.If a Gibbon is used in the game, it is simple to perform,and you didn't get it for 10 years, take off physics change, nothing will help you, because no skill.I've been using Gibbon since 2015, others started earlier,others started later, and they overtake me, are better then i'm, and have i ever written to remove this take off method ? No, because i have respect to another player that he took the time, and learned to play DSJ.I hope, that Mediamond owner will bring the no gibbon system to online servers,and then i will prove it you and the rest of the crying players, it's not Gibbon, it's skill varies between top players, and you won't arguments to write nonsense about the game.You have a long way ahead of you, so respect others, get on their level then argue.Now let's wait for the Jussi decision,i hope it will implement, even to test, to gather information.Personally i think, with slight wind adjustment, it might work, but true is so we have a 100% Wr's with gibbon, and in my opinion wind regulation can help introduce a new system take off.

[young_leosia]

Tryharding the gibbon is not learning how to play DSJ, but just bug abuse. Why should I care that someone wasted 2137 hours tryharding a bug in the game? Is that supposed to be a reason not to improve the game? With such an approach, the game will never see any significant changes if we keep looking at someone who wasted thousands of hours on breaking records.

[MikesCZ]

Agree with the suggestion to implement anti-gibbon and create new record database and freeze the old one but keep it in read only mode. Make it DSJ5 if needed, we will buy it.

EDIT: include offline record hunt mode to it to encourage sales

[Xinitiao]

Making a paid DSJ5 as a clone of DSJ4 with only new features being no gibbon and windhunt mode is an awful idea.

[Dangerous Dave]

Agree with the suggestion to implement anti-gibbon and create new record database and freeze the old one but keep it in read only mode. Make it DSJ5 if needed, we will buy it.

EDIT: include offline record hunt mode to it to encourage sales

I definitely agree that if there's going to be a record reset, then you might as well try implementing the record hunting feature too. However, any progress towards making the game better counts, even if it's just one thing at a time.

Making a separate version wouldn't work in my opinion. People would flow to the gibbon-less version immediately and the old version would get abandoned very quickly. The gibbon fanatics would struggle to get 10 people together for the biggest tournaments.

[MikesCZ]

Making a paid DSJ5 as a clone of DSJ4 with only new features being no gibbon and windhunt mode is an awful idea.

Fair enough. I got little bit carried away.

[JanK]

We have tons of new hills, custom outfits, new tournaments. All those things are great but I definitely agree that implementing anti-gibbon mechanism would really be a big step forward. Even though I'm using gibbon currently and I have to admit that it helped me to improve my records significantly, there shouldn't be this kind of glitch in a game that has real-world physics in its description. Yes DSJ4 is quite old game but there are still lot of active players (with some real ski jumpers among us + new names coming in) so we should be still looking for some ways how to make this game better. I don't have the ability to fully determin the effect of gibbon but the fact that all of current WRs are jumps with gibbon is an sufficient argument. All players should have the same conditions. Long story short...just make DSJ 4 2.0 with this mechanism + record reset. Current records would be freezed, not deleted...Thank you.

[arjunkumar63la]

I think the removal of the gibbon, is a very good idea, it should be worked out calmly, without any rush, to be fine-tuned for next season already, or test no gibbon in the WOTs in the Summer. panoramacharter.ltd

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[Tom2]

I did earlier a quick experiment how the game would look with anti-gibbon system:
https://www.mediamond.fi/images/dsj4-anti-gibbon.mp4

Love the deadliness of this crash (and also how well Jussi did that gibbon thing)

That's obviously a great idea and I fully support it, the question is when and how. It's all up to Jussi, isn't it

[Severin]

Honestly an updated version where Gibbon won't be possible anymore with a fresh record list sounds like a perfect solution. Just leave the current one on the website so that everyone can see what the records were.

Record lists have already been frozen and restarted multiple times with new versions whenever there were game changing updates.

Heck, I'd even pay for an update if I could be sure Gibbon is gone and it's cheat proof.

[MikesCZ]

Heck, I'd even pay for an update if I could be sure Gibbon is gone and it's cheat proof.

My paypal is ready too and if this update is released for free, I will purchase some key as a thank you.

Fresh record table and let's see who is the best without exploits. Would make the game more streamable as well, as gibbon is really awkward for viewers.

[Radek Rýdl]

It would be really nice to have DSJ without Gibbon, because it doesn't look very realistic. And I would love to see how it would be in online tournaments without this "cheat"


Radek Rýdl

[SoBo]

It would be really nice to have DSJ without Gibbon, because it doesn't look very realistic. And I would love to see how it would be in online tournaments without this "cheat"


Radek Rýdl

I agree in 100% DSJ 4 without Gibbon will change the game, but it won't change human, who has the skill in the game, will still have it. I see absolutely no changes, among the top players and the weepers will stop crying, unless they find another reason to vent frustration of forum, instead of accepting the situation, that the same names have dominated the game for years and you guys are just average players, needed to get ranked.

[SoBo]

If you compare DSJ 4 to real jumps, then you can see the difference between, for example, Maciej Kot and Dawid Kubacki.They both have skis and both of them make take-off, but that's where it ends, one will jump 100m and the other will jump 140m, one has the skill, the other doesn't.How do you imagine playing DSJ 4 without gibbon? The only problem should be the perfect take off in this game? And what then ? 200 people will jump the same distance? You will jump 140 meters at the competition, and you'll get to 50 and you jumped the same meters, then you will write to Jussi that game is broken, because those who have skill they get 20 and you get 18.5 notes, and he has to change that because it's not fair.I recommend it to no-skilled players, let Jussi make you a test server for the summer season with what he already has (non gibbon server), I'll give you notes from 20 to 20, and play yourselves, your dreams will finally come true.

So seriously, Jussi there is a clear need for you to implement for the summer period for testing what you have created (no gibbon), you will have time to make adjustments, and players for tests, maybe it will work.