WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
Klasyfikacja końcowa po 24/24 konkursach
Poz. Gracz Kraj Ocena I II III N Punkty
1. Maciej Sylwestrzuk POL 1634 7 1 2 24 1239
2. Marcin Śliwiński POL 1669 2 6 2 24 1191
3. Zbigniew Smolarek POL 1653 3 3 2 24 1017
4. Szymon Gaiński POL 1618 4 2 - 24 946
5. Mateusz Greex POL 1592 2 1 4 24 825
6. pikolak POL 1618 1 - 6 24 787
7. Bartek Winczaszek POL 1600 - 2 4 22 774
8. Martin Granholm FIN 1573 - 2 2 24 670
9. Daniel Turowski POL 1537 2 1 1 24 666
10. Marcin Grześkowiak POL 1561 - 1 - 24 560
11. Kalle Keltomäki FIN 1545 - 1 - 24 522
12. Michał Szkutnik POL 1553 - 1 - 20 484
13. Tomasz Adamczewski POL 1463 - - 1 24 471
14. Admir Mujagic SRB 1469 - 1 - 24 426
15. Knut Arne Grosås NOR 1432 1 - - 24 402
16. Dariusz Sidor POL 1530 - 1 1 17 397
17. Denis Klewczuk POL 1514 1 - - 24 387
18. Mateusz Marciniak POL 1492 - - 1 24 385
19. RUBASZ POL 1448 - 1 - 23 372
20. Alexander Kurek GER 1427 1 - 1 24 353
21. Jakub Karas POL 1408 - - 1 24 323
22. Martin Kafka CZE 1486 - - - 24 319
23. Steinar Hansen NOR 1425 - 1 1 23 314
24. Christian Hermann GER 1449 - 1 - 24 293
25. Artur Bała POL 1382 - - - 24 284
26. Georg Gasser AUT 1393 - - - 24 278
27. Iwo Beger POL 1407 - - - 19 245
28. Tino Kessler GER 1421 - - - 21 228
29. Nicklas Jensen DEN 1384 - - 1 24 223
Peter Samuelis SVK 1330 - - - 24 223
31. Sergiusz Kriegel POL 1372 - - - 24 218
32. Maciej Kazanowski POL 1335 - 1 - 24 192
33. Dawid Bocianowski POL 1389 - - - 24 170
34. Łukasz Boczar POL 1328 - - - 24 164
35. Spendon Gavekort NOR 1292 - - - 22 158
36. Karol Górka POL 1312 - - - 24 143
37. Aappo Nikkilä FIN 1259 - - - 24 115
38. Artur Dzwończak POL 1212 - - - 24 109
39. Maciej Molenda POL 1308 - - - 24 90
40. Tomasz Bienek POL 1322 - - - 24 84
41. Andi D. NOR 1345 - - - 12 83
42. Ståle Føynum NOR 1208 - - - 24 77
43. Daniel Noga POL 1304 - - - 12 72
44. Olli Tamminen FIN 1258 - - - 24 63
45. Konrad Wojtkowski POL 1270 - - - 14 47
46. Sławek Ruman POL 1143 - - - 24 41
47. Jani Novak SLO 1146 - - - 24 38
Markku Korhonen 2 FIN 1184 - - - 24 38
49. Bartosz Szymczak POL 1198 - - - 24 36
50. Jakub Beránek CZE 1147 - - - 19 34
51. Adrian Kruszec POL 1234 - - - 16 30
52. Marek Jaroszewski POL 1144 - - - 18 16
53. Johann Höbart 2 AUT 1171 - - - 10 12
54. Miika Töyräskoski FIN 1108 - - - 24 10
55. Miha Topolovec SLO 1152 - - - 19 9
56. Rafal Rzepczynski POL 975 - - - 24 8
57. Krzysztof Hyjek POL 1234 - - - 5 7
58. marko löytynoja FIN 1096 - - - 4 6
59. Jakub Michalik POL 1198 - - - 2 2
60. Sebastian Bednarczyk POL 967 - - - 19 1
61. Arkadiusz Koralewski POL 861 - - - 24 0
Bartek Palewicz POL 1047 - - - 1 0
Christian Ulrich 2 GER 848 - - - 6 0
Dominik Andrzejczuk POL 937 - - - 10 0
ERIK ERIKSEN 2 NOR 948 - - - 24 0
Famas Lamas POL 1105 - - - 4 0
Gutek70 POL 1144 - - - 10 0
Inge Borthne NOR 629 - - - 2 0
Jan Duske GER 822 - - - 3 0
Jan Kvil NOR 942 - - - 24 0
Jan-Erik Strøm NOR 1083 - - - 1 0
Jernej Poženel SLO 1118 - - - 24 0
Jukka Korkea-aho FIN 984 - - - 15 0
Kay Strutzberg GER 1026 - - - 3 0
Lukasz Stanczak POL 1094 - - - 13 0
Marcin Paluch POL 953 - - - 24 0
Marcin Zamorski POL 931 - - - 24 0
Marcus Schütte GER 945 - - - 24 0
Timo Rissanen FIN 1059 - - - 2 0
Ville Nikander FIN 854 - - - 21 0
Yuichi Ono JPN 921 - - - 2 0WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
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61. Arkadiusz Koralewski POL 861 - - - 24 0
Bartek Palewicz POL 1047 - - - 1 0
Christian Ulrich 2 GER 848 - - - 6 0
Dominik Andrzejczuk POL 937 - - - 10 0
ERIK ERIKSEN 2 NOR 948 - - - 24 0
Famas Lamas POL 1105 - - - 4 0
Gutek70 POL 1144 - - - 10 0
Inge Borthne NOR 629 - - - 2 0
Jan Duske GER 822 - - - 3 0
Jan Kvil NOR 942 - - - 24 0
Jan-Erik Strøm NOR 1083 - - - 1 0
Jernej Poženel SLO 1118 - - - 24 0
Jukka Korkea-aho FIN 984 - - - 15 0
Kay Strutzberg GER 1026 - - - 3 0
Lukasz Stanczak POL 1094 - - - 13 0
Marcin Paluch POL 953 - - - 24 0
Marcin Zamorski POL 931 - - - 24 0
Marcus Schütte GER 945 - - - 24 0
Timo Rissanen FIN 1059 - - - 2 0
Ville Nikander FIN 854 - - - 21 0
Yuichi Ono JPN 921 - - - 2 0
Why wouldn't you all play at B? All of you had 0 points and ratings below 1200. You shouldn't play A, you should play B 
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But if they like the big amount of competitors?
That's gotta hurt.
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
It's 21 players that could play WC. Add to this 2 players that were on B, but weren't on A and you get 23. IMO that's not small amount of players.
And what do they get from the big amount of competitors? Having 0 points and losing rating all the time?
And what do they get from the big amount of competitors? Having 0 points and losing rating all the time?
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Not everyone plays to win, some people have fun by participating and trying their best 
That's gotta hurt.
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
I know, but in A they can't even try.Zmaster wrote:Not everyone plays to win, some people have fun by participating and trying their best
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I feel like there is no reason to limit their participation and it is rude to even suggest them to stay outside of A "because they can't try there".
That's gotta hurt.
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Why? If they want, they'll competite in WC A.Maślana wrote:The weaker players should begin from World Cup B.
It's good case when on the server are more people, because the betters (like me, for example) can improve their rating
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
It's not a good case when shit players like me can't do anything online - there's no place for us in A, and no one plays B.Szymon11 wrote:Why? If they want, they'll competite in WC A.Maślana wrote:The weaker players should begin from World Cup B.
It's good case when on the server are more people, because the betters (like me, for example) can improve their rating
I used to play B, when my rating grew up i started doing A. IMO that's how it should be - you start at B, you get better, you go to A. Now there's no place i can get better.
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
Possible solution to this would be setting the A server limit to 1200-9999. But I highly doubt Jussi would adopt such measure.
When you think of it, it does make sense, it works that way in FIS competitions. Weaker/novice jumpers first gain their experience in FIS Cup / Continenal Cup, in other words they start in lower rank competitions, and once they get better, they're allowed to try how they compare in World Cup. If they prove to be a success (Jacobsen/Schlierenzauer in '06), there's no reason for them to go back to CoC. If they struggle, they can always return to polish their skills some more (or happily settle with CoC for good). In our case, instead of a head coach, there's the server making decisions according to one's rating. Is it fair? I think so! Last but not least, it'd also add a new level of competitiveness for those seeking a challenge by "qualifying" for 'A' competitions.
When you think of it, it does make sense, it works that way in FIS competitions. Weaker/novice jumpers first gain their experience in FIS Cup / Continenal Cup, in other words they start in lower rank competitions, and once they get better, they're allowed to try how they compare in World Cup. If they prove to be a success (Jacobsen/Schlierenzauer in '06), there's no reason for them to go back to CoC. If they struggle, they can always return to polish their skills some more (or happily settle with CoC for good). In our case, instead of a head coach, there's the server making decisions according to one's rating. Is it fair? I think so! Last but not least, it'd also add a new level of competitiveness for those seeking a challenge by "qualifying" for 'A' competitions.
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
Then I could never join the A servers.Martin Kafka wrote:Possible solution to this would be setting the A server limit to 1200-9999. But I highly doubt Jussi would adopt such measure.
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
I'm sure you can always grant yourself an exception for 'administrative' reasons ;) I can't imagine anyone complaining about your presence ;)Jussi Koskela wrote:Then I could never join the A servers. ;)
Plus, apart from TDD you don't seem to frequent that much :)
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I feel this virtual ski jumping fan community is different than professional ski jumping and I believe there is no need to _force_ players to separate from another.
That's gotta hurt.
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Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
Any kind of virtual entertainment (and people around it) will always differ from its real-world professional counterpart. I was merely trying to support my suggestion with a suitable comparison, and where else to look in a game that above all tries to be a faithful simulator following and adopting many rules and gameplay elements from FIS?Zmaster wrote:I feel this virtual ski jumping fan community is different than professional ski jumping and I believe there is no need to _force_ players to separate from another.
But I see your point - some may feel forced rather than motivated. I'm aware of this issue, I discussed it in this post.
I still think, however, that sometimes it's necessary or helpful to set up reasonable restrictions for players' own good.
I remember CoC from 2011/12, those competitions were great, many people attending, chat atmosphere was way better than in A - no cussing, spamming, kicking etc.
Don't you agree that helping to create two equally competitive leagues can only help to shape the Online game for better? If you only see the "force" element, this way you'll never be able to make any real improvements to the overall Online experience and climate.
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There is not enough players right now for two leagues setup in my opinion. But I agree that it is a good idea.
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