have u cheated?

Juha Hietakangas · Post by **Juha Hietakangas** » 03 Feb 2007, 23:59

sorry got little out of hand. had an bit emotional last night anyways. Do what you want that is what I think. I dont like to cheat. It gives me the feeling that I´m not doing it myself.... SORRY if I offended anyone....

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » 04 Feb 2007, 21:45

Domin wrote:Romek is right.
If someone wants to beat records- he needs slowdown.
If i want to play with my friends or online, then i dont use it.
Slowdown is only supplement for game, NOT cheat.

Romek isn't right about anything. To say that this game isn't interesting without slowdown, is to say that power lifting isn't interesting without stereoids. Or that bowling isn't fun unless you can stand 10 cm from the pins and are allowed to use your feet as well to knock down the pins.

This game was meant to be played full speed, and just because someone decided to cheat, does not justify cheating in general. Alot of old records in Track & Field are most likely sat by athletes who used drugs, so should we allow everybody to use drugs so that they have a chance at beating the old records? No, I don't think so.

Cheating has ruined the records list completely. When this list was first introduced, I used it to see where I would be able to improve my pb the most. Today I can't to this, because it is a fantasy list who's only value is for morons who hasn't understood the point of this game.

I say: Make a new version of the game that is cheat proof, then wipe the list as it is completely worthless. Or better yet, make small changes to every hill, so that we have to make a new list.

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 05 Feb 2007, 12:49

Ok, as i see there are 2 different points of view in here:
1. you had to use slow down dsj, if you wanted to jump at the top of the lists and it is fun, too
2. slow down is cheating, evil, unsportsmanlike

So i will give you a small history of slowdown on DSJ:

I started playing DSJ about 5 years ago on version DSJ2.1. Great physics, great game

A windeditor for setting the wind at a fix value (yes, +20m/s were possible) was existing, so you were able to do amazing jumps and upload your recordlist, but you couldn't proof your jump by replay, because without the windeditor the wind in the replay was normal and so the jump failed

A small DOS-slowdown proggie was also existing (slowdown.com). For using that you had to write a small .bat-file, which started the slowdown-proggie and DSJ in a Batch. Now you were able to slowdown DSJ by several times (ingame). Because of a smaller framerate by slowing down the game too much i used to play DSJ at half speed. The top-players jumped at 1/10, 1/20 or 1/30 speed, but that wasn't fun to me ...
At the end there came out a new windeditor, which worked the following way: Starting DSJ, starting the editor, loading an existing DSJ-Replay with perfect wind into the editor, switching back to DSJ and with a special key you were able to "transfer" the perfect wind from the older replay into the running game. This wind worked in the replay of the actual jump, too ... side-effect: wind-transferring AND slowdown didn't work at the same time

Paradoxically this new "wind editor" was a cheat to the DSJ-community and DSJ2 was DEAD

So we all were waiting for the next version of DSJ, which was published by Jussi in october 2004. The graphics did a huge jump and the feeling in the air was unbelievable. GREAT fun! Some weeks after DSJ3 came out, some guys discovered a slowdown tool named "XSpeed" and this tool worked on DSJ3 perfect (stupidly). Now it was possible (again) to do better jumps (about 10% longer). My first thought: damn! I didn't use it at first, but after a while i tried it by myself. The beginning wasn't easy but after some practice with this tool the fun was a big as at normal speed (maybe even a little bit better *g*). But the wish for a competition at normal (fast) speed was strong all the times up to now. And now we have the online mode

The most important things aren't "analyzing the hill", "waiting for the perfect wind" and "skills on sensiblity" anymore, now the most important things are CONCENTRATION, REACTION and SENSIBILITY

So, my conclusion:
With SlowDown DSJ was a great (competition)game, too. It wasn't fine that you had to use it, if you really wanted to compete, but it wasn't THAT evil and it didn't destroy DSJ, quite the contrary: through tools like XSpeed it was possible to do the perfect jump and this goal let my play DSJ again and again and again ...

Now the last missing thing is a ONLINE-Record-List and everything would be fine ;o) A Offline-Recordlist for "DSJ1.5-only"-jumps would be great, too ...

And now something for cooling down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENvg8nK8DaM
(the Sev-Bug)

Ats · Post by **Ats** » 05 Feb 2007, 16:34

Nice video. Is that 'dancing' bug fixed in 1.5?

Audun · Post by **Audun** » 05 Feb 2007, 17:06

Very nice video indeed, and yes the "sev-style" (as it's called) doesn't work in the newest version 1.5 (thank god).

darko · Post by **darko** » 05 Feb 2007, 21:42

i believe it is really unfair to the people that payed to play this game and play it without cheats [and now it is impossible to play with cheats to my knowledge because jussi fixed the bug] and it's really bad because it doesn't give me any reason to play this game... i don't have money to pay online like most of you to compare my scores with people on servers, i can only play DSJ on my pc, and playing it without cheats is no fun because i have no idea if a jump is possible better than i have...

I think jussi should reset the whole hill record list and let people redo all their records because it is really really unfair to the people that started playing this game after the patch and they don't have a chance for those records.

Mystikal · Post by **Mystikal** » 05 Feb 2007, 21:46

darko wrote:i believe it is really unfair to the people that payed to play this game and play it without cheats [and now it is impossible to play with cheats to my knowledge because jussi fixed the bug] and it's really bad because it doesn't give me any reason to play this game... i don't have money to pay online like most of you to compare my scores with people on servers, i can only play DSJ on my pc, and playing it without cheats is no fun because i have no idea if a jump is possible better than i have...

I think jussi should reset the whole hill record list and let people redo all their records because it is really really unfair to the people that started playing this game after the patch and they don't have a chance for those records.

you wasnt supposed to use the so called "cheats" in the first place, now you all cheaters have to blame yourself for not being able to beat the records...

romek · Post by **romek** » 05 Feb 2007, 22:14

I'm afraid most of you don't understand DSJ with slowmo - you should first try then talk... As Torsten said - there are two different dsj (with and without slo) and each need other kind of skill. And - believe me - there are two groups of players with other aims and expects. Is it possible give satisfaction to all? I think yes - all what we need are two diference clasifications and slowmo joined to offline game...

darko · Post by **darko** » 05 Feb 2007, 23:34

Mystikal wrote:
darko wrote:i believe it is really unfair to the people that payed to play this game and play it without cheats [and now it is impossible to play with cheats to my knowledge because jussi fixed the bug] and it's really bad because it doesn't give me any reason to play this game... i don't have money to pay online like most of you to compare my scores with people on servers, i can only play DSJ on my pc, and playing it without cheats is no fun because i have no idea if a jump is possible better than i have...

I think jussi should reset the whole hill record list and let people redo all their records because it is really really unfair to the people that started playing this game after the patch and they don't have a chance for those records.
you wasnt supposed to use the so called "cheats" in the first place, now you all cheaters have to blame yourself for not being able to beat the records...

i have never cheated in this game because i started playing it when the 1.5 came out, read my post first then flame.

and Romek, please tell me why would i cheat and how could i cheat in v1.5 ? i don't want to play v1.4 because with thta version you can't upload your records.

Mystikal · Post by **Mystikal** » 06 Feb 2007, 00:10

srry darko, i ment romek

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 06 Feb 2007, 10:28

darko wrote:and Romek, please tell me why would i cheat and how could i cheat in v1.5 ? i don't want to play v1.4 because with thta version you can't upload your records.

I you really wanna "cheat": play with 1.4, after jumping update to 1.5 and send your records .. that's the way it still works ... haven't tried it by myself, but that's the reason why a reset of the recordlist wouldn't make sense by now

aasmund_o · Post by **aasmund_o** » 06 Feb 2007, 15:09

I`ve been playing nowandthen for some years. Been very facinating about these records. I have been miles away. Sometimes when i have seen the line on my game i have wondered.. how do they do it.. and so - it turns out to be a big bluff.. It surely killed my interest for the game. The one who produced this should have killed the list(Hill record) at once. Not offered to download it into the game. (Where can i retreave my use sparetime on this? who is to blame ?)
Yes, i am an adult who should have thought of this before - and i should have understood what it was about a long time before .. But i didnt, and i am very sorry i bought this at the first time.

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 06 Feb 2007, 16:37

aasmund_o wrote:[...] how do they do it.. and so - it turns out to be a big bluff..

Slowing down alone isn't enough! You also need A LOT of time because you have to get
- the perfect wind
- the perfect takeoff
- the perfect movements in the air
You can do very long jumps without SlowMo, too! It's not a bluff at all! Skill is necessary, too!

Post by **Ivelak** » 06 Feb 2007, 17:13

aasmund_o wrote:I`ve been playing nowandthen for some years. Been very facinating about these records. I have been miles away. Sometimes when i have seen the line on my game i have wondered.. how do they do it.. and so - it turns out to be a big bluff.. It surely killed my interest for the game. The one who produced this should have killed the list(Hill record) at once. Not offered to download it into the game. (Where can i retreave my use sparetime on this? who is to blame ?)

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Bart · Post by **Bart** » 06 Feb 2007, 17:30

No its no bluff, all of these jumps needs good skills, couples houers for trainigs anlaizys,seeking good wind. It needs much of luck and sometimes Gods help too. If you think its easy to jump far with slow motion try it. Slow motion its no cheat, it was accapect by many good playeres until Severin discovered bug. That bug desrtoyed Mediamonds's rankings. I miss about old times before bug.

Btw I.m happy that you enjoy my video

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