8 World records today..

Jericho · Post by **Jericho** » 10 Nov 2008, 21:10

Jussi wrote:
If someone has ideas how to actually catch the cheaters (reliably) i'll be happy to implement it and kick all the caught players out from the hill records list for good.

Well I have one idea, and it should work.
Demand replays from the people who do a national record and a world record.

I can send you mine to begin with.

Post by **Jussi Koskela** » 10 Nov 2008, 21:18

Jericho wrote: Demand replays from the people who do a national record and a world record.
I can send you mine to begin with.

Replays don't quite prove anything yet. Though, this would be a nice feature (if it worked automatically) even if it didn't stop cheating.

Martin Kafka · Post by **Martin Kafka** » 10 Nov 2008, 21:20

Too much work I guess. Who would like to go through hundreds of files examining every bit of movement in the air... Much simpler and more effective solution is simply deleting the OBVIOUS (!!!) cheaters from the list. It's not about the words we trade here, it's about actions taken. I can only hope you got my point at least, if you took the effort to nitpick foul language. So I guess the Norwegian is an English language, too. God. (*sigh*)

Jericho · Post by **Jericho** » 10 Nov 2008, 21:35

Jussi Wrote:
Replays don't quite prove anything yet. Though, this would be a nice feature (if it worked automatically) even if it didn't stop cheating.

No but I am sure the people who know their cheat wouldnt send their records.
What happen to Dejan Cheatar and Dominik M. they cheated and now their gone from the game, atleast I havent seen them for a long long time.
Todays world records can only be beaten by cheating.
They are just to good to be true..

Post by **Jussi Koskela** » 10 Nov 2008, 21:44

Martin Kafka wrote:Much simpler and more effective solution is simply deleting the OBVIOUS (!!!) cheaters from the list.

The problemacy lies in defining when the cheating becomes obvious. In my opinion it's obvious only if it can be technically proven. We simply can't start disqualifying players based on yell voting on this forum. What if somebody cheated only very little? What if a good player was disqualified on wrong basis? As long as this line cannot be set it's very diffucult for me to start disqualifying any players.

Martin Kafka wrote: I can only hope you got my point at least, if you took the effort to nitpick foul language.

Sure, google translate worked pretty well

Martin Kafka · Post by **Martin Kafka** » 10 Nov 2008, 22:18

Haha I knew that! Point for you

onkelsmerte · Post by **onkelsmerte** » 10 Nov 2008, 22:26

i would still like to see records online. It would be fun. Specially with the new hills comming.

AB · Post by AB » 11 Nov 2008, 01:01

yes, online recs would be very nice,more people would play online. And we can still have thoose offline cheat recs

mis · Post by **mis** » 11 Nov 2008, 03:00

Jussi Koskela wrote: If someone has ideas how to actually catch the cheaters (reliably) i'll be happy to implement it and kick all the caught players out from the hill records list for good.

One suggestion (reliable?) would be online jumping without possibility to wait for wind, when every player has clicked Ready or the clock has ran down the jumper automatically goes down the hill.
The reason is that at the moment there are two types of players that come in late online in the result lists.
A) Windwaiters
B) Slowdowners

This could for example be implemented in the WC wed, sat and Marathon.
All topresults would then come in within the same second because the duration of the jump would be almost similar for every player.
Even a slight slowdown would be caught then by observant players.

I know most of us like the break(15 secs) every now and then (me included) and also having the possibility to wait for the wind even if the majority of us never do it.

This would probably give a clean online WR list set in wed,sat WC:s and marathon.
Just an idea...don´t know what others think about this.

onkelsmerte · Post by **onkelsmerte** » 11 Nov 2008, 09:39

Please implement this for us Jussi. As a sweet pre Christmas preset

Martin Kafka · Post by **Martin Kafka** » 11 Nov 2008, 12:38

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Who said there's no snow?
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romek · Post by **romek** » 11 Nov 2008, 21:57

So many times and still nothing clever

- it's so simply - close the gate could means only one - open the gate for all...

Jericho · Post by **Jericho** » 11 Nov 2008, 22:55

romek wrote:So many times and still nothing clever - it's so simply - close the gate could means only one - open the gate for all...

Romek (the ... ) wrote...
Soo - I'm cheater - and if you want know my opinion DSJ without slowmo is a one of thousand same games... If I'll try relax for few minutes or check my reflex I have many "shooting" games - I don't need one more. Sorry - DSJ full speed means (for me) - no thinking, no analysing, no looking for, no patience - means NOTHING (or, if you want: hazard, luck - just game). Yes - I'm old, nonereform cheater

You must be proud

Kjell Arild Korbøl · Post by **Kjell Arild Korbøl** » 11 Nov 2008, 23:24

Many players have written in forum that they are cheating.. (Domin/romek/bart/dejan sitar...)
This should be proof enough?

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Audun wrote Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:10 pm:
Jussi: Can you please reset my hillrecords? I'm tired of people who look at slowdown as cheat..

Vik wrote Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:50 pm:
Please can you reset my personal hillrecords in your database?

Jussi deleted their cheat-records, and they started over without speed-tools.

Way to go Audun and Victor!

Hope other cheaters will follow them, and make dsj a clean game!

onkelsmerte · Post by **onkelsmerte** » 12 Nov 2008, 00:12

As far as cheaters coming out of the closet, that would be great. Eventho its rather improbable(spelling?). Deleting the records of the guys that admiited to cheating should be done immideatly if its not allready taken care. I dont know.

BUT GIEF online records !!!!