Ideas & suggestions for next beta/full version

[Zdravko]

My Ideas:

1.Before jump competitor at the corner of the screen to table the first five in the competition screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/dsj1.png/
2.Table position occupied in the season screen:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/dsj2p.png/
3.Podium after the competition.
4.System KO.
5.Nets to protect against wind.

What do you think?

[Pavlokox]

My Ideas:

1.Before jump competitor at the corner of the screen to table the first five in the competition screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/dsj1.png/
2.Table position occupied in the season screen:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/dsj2p.png/
3.Podium after the competition.
4.System KO.
5.Nets to protect against wind.

What do you think?

1. Good.
2. Current is quite good. Only improvements are needed.
3. Not DSJ style.
4. There had been a discussion about it, but I don't exactly know what was the final statement about it. In my opinion - very good (in some competitions)
5. Only on this hills where they really exists (Lahti, Harrachov, Kuusamo, etc.)

[cruzzz112]

Hi everybodY I comeback to Ideas & suggestions topic with two ideas.

First ide is ide from Zdravko:

1.Before jump competitor at the corner of the screen to table the first five in the competition screen

I thing about this, and this must look like this:


Second idea is "Calendar" (AGAIN...). I think this is simple calendar, but please judge it.

1. Go to "World cup"

2. Select "Select Hills"

3. Select hills in order and click "Continue"

3. Select settings (Points, Cup Type and Cup (First Cup - World Cup, Second Cup - Four Hills Tournament, Third Cup - World Ski Flying Championship)) for all competitions.

CLICK ON PHOTO FOR ZOOM
Simple?

[Pavlokox]

I repeat my ideas, because it's really important. The game mustn't be monotonous! The wind should sometimes change (less or more). I don't mean that it should goes like in DSJ 2 or DSJ 3, but sometimes, rarely yes. Jury can change gate between rounds (in depend of results and wind changes). I don't mean FIS system with special points! Only one gate when competition starts (like in beta-2) and other gate for the second round (or the same gate when results are in normal and the wind didn't change). If this features are not included every competition will look the same as others.

[Jussi Koskela]

Second idea is "Calendar" (AGAIN...). I think this is simple calendar, but please judge it.

3. Select hills in order and click "Continue"

4. Select settings (Points, Cup Type and Cup (First Cup - World Cup, Second Cup - Four Hills Tournament, Third Cup - World Ski Flying Championship)) for all competitions.

CLICK ON PHOTO FOR ZOOM
Simple?

3. In the full version you'll be able to select the order of hills. Though, the GUI is simpler than the one that you proposed (on the left side of the screen you'll see the list of available hills and on the right side you'll see the "calendar".
4. I'll have to consider something like this for the later versions.

[Jussi Koskela]

I repeat my ideas, because it's really important. The game mustn't be monotonous! The wind should sometimes change (less or more). I don't mean that it should goes like in DSJ 2 or DSJ 3, but sometimes, rarely yes. Jury can change gate between rounds (in depend of results and wind changes). I don't mean FIS system with special points! Only one gate when competition starts (like in beta-2) and other gate for the second round (or the same gate when results are in normal and the wind didn't change). If this features are not included every competition will look the same as others.

Could be implemented to later versions.

[Zdravko]

Jussi What do you think about it:
1.Before jump competitor at the corner of the screen to table the first five in the competition screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/dsj1.png/
2.Table position occupied in the season screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/dsj2p.png/
3.System KO.
4.Nets to protect against wind.
5.Place names of trees. screen: http://www.skijumping.pl/konkursy/alleg ... 2-2006.jpg

[Jussi Koskela]

Jussi What do you think about it:
1.Before jump competitor at the corner of the screen to table the first five in the competition screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/dsj1.png/
2.Table position occupied in the season screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/dsj2p.png/
3.System KO.
4.Nets to protect against wind.
5.Place names of trees. screen: http://www.skijumping.pl/konkursy/alleg ... 2-2006.jpg

1-3. Maybe
4. Blocks visibility too much. It's irritating if you have to adjust/select different camera for the hills with the wind net.
5. The name of the hill will be painted to the landing hill in the full version. I tried to make it with twigs, but it didn't look good enough compared to polygon count needed, so it's flat paint.

[Risto Salonen]

I would drop the inrun speeds with one or two gates in all hills but Zakopane (if there's no major changes in physics). I think it's too easy to jump several meters beyond the HS point especially in Lillehammer and Bad Mitterndorf, provided the take-off is good. In Lahti it's not as bad but a lot of the competitors tend to land around the HS point, a more slight drop in inrun speed could shake it up a bit.

[Martin Kafka]

1. In DSJ3, there were 15 lines per result page for Online competitions. In DSJ4 Beta-1, this was changed to 25 and again to 20 in Beta-2. I'm curious what were the reasons for each change and whether you have settled for good with current setting or whether this will be further adjusted in future versions?

2. I'm voting for the return of occasional gusts of wind up to 3.5 - 4 m/s.
Having 2 m/s as an absolute max may seem realistic, but it's just... sterile.
And it also greatly reduces possibility of sensational hill records.

3. Automatic replay saving through server seems like a very good first step in anti-cheating fight. Thank you for that. Additionally, I'm also hoping for strict measures against !xSpeedPro and Cheat Engine, both of which still work with DSJ4 on XP/SP3-based system.

4. Regarding my personal fetish: have you managed to record any sounds of rain for DSJ4 yet? ;-)

5. Online spectator mode. Having already discussed this feature in the past, I'll keep this short... -> Yes or Not?

6. I'd welcome richer support for Online gaming, like various detailed stats, achievements, team cups, more chat commands, creating custom rooms etc... The current model of Online feels a bit "empty" and raw.

[Jussi Koskela]

I would drop the inrun speeds with one or two gates in all hills but Zakopane (if there's no major changes in physics). I think it's too easy to jump several meters beyond the HS point especially in Lillehammer and Bad Mitterndorf, provided the take-off is good. In Lahti it's not as bad but a lot of the competitors tend to land around the HS point, a more slight drop in inrun speed could shake it up a bit.

Physics will be updated, so the inrun speeds will be adjusted accordingly.

[bulwa11]

Martins idea with the gusts is really nice. Definetly exciting to get a sudden chance to have a huge jump .

[Bartek Palewicz]

1. In DSJ3, there were 15 lines per result page for Online competitions. In DSJ4 Beta-1, this was changed to 25 and again to 20 in Beta-2. I'm curious what were the reasons for each change and whether you have settled for good with current setting or whether this will be further adjusted in future versions?

2. I'm voting for the return of occasional gusts of wind up to 3.5 - 4 m/s.
Having 2 m/s as an absolute max may seem realistic, but it's just... sterile.
And it also greatly reduces possibility of sensational hill records.

3. Automatic replay saving through server seems like a very good first step in anti-cheating fight. Thank you for that. Additionally, I'm also hoping for strict measures against !xSpeedPro and Cheat Engine, both of which still work with DSJ4 on XP/SP3-based system.

4. Regarding my personal fetish: have you managed to record any sounds of rain for DSJ4 yet?

5. Online spectator mode. Having already discussed this feature in the past, I'll keep this short... -> Yes or Not?

6. I'd welcome richer support for Online gaming, like various detailed stats, achievements, team cups, more chat commands, creating custom rooms etc... The current model of Online feels a bit "empty" and raw.

Martin, I love these ideas. IMO that game needs rain sound and wind speed more than 3.0 m/s.

[Jussi Koskela]

1. In DSJ3, there were 15 lines per result page for Online competitions. In DSJ4 Beta-1, this was changed to 25 and again to 20 in Beta-2. I'm curious what were the reasons for each change and whether you have settled for good with current setting or whether this will be further adjusted in future versions?

2. I'm voting for the return of occasional gusts of wind up to 3.5 - 4 m/s.
Having 2 m/s as an absolute max may seem realistic, but it's just... sterile.
And it also greatly reduces possibility of sensational hill records.

3. Automatic replay saving through server seems like a very good first step in anti-cheating fight. Thank you for that. Additionally, I'm also hoping for strict measures against !xSpeedPro and Cheat Engine, both of which still work with DSJ4 on XP/SP3-based system.

4. Regarding my personal fetish: have you managed to record any sounds of rain for DSJ4 yet?

5. Online spectator mode. Having already discussed this feature in the past, I'll keep this short... -> Yes or Not?

6. I'd welcome richer support for Online gaming, like various detailed stats, achievements, team cups, more chat commands, creating custom rooms etc... The current model of Online feels a bit "empty" and raw.

1. In beta-1 the spacing was wrong, so the number of entries will stay at 20. DSJ3 had a bigger font.

2. This is matter of taste. Would increase the factor of luck and could result more people waiting for the gust in the online mode.

3. I haven't found any bullet proof method to detect the change of speed. If you change any other properties with the Cheat engine the replay will reveal that.

4. No, changes in the sounds so far.

5. Not yet, but this is definitely on the to-do list.

6. Yes, but later.

[Wolf]

The most important hills for DSJ4, in my opinion (with reasons):

1. Oberstdorf,
2. Ga-Pa,
3. Innsbruck,
4. Bischofshofen - all of the four hills tournament,
5. Zakopane (Wielka Krokiew) - one of the most beautiful hills of the World, the best atmosphere of competition, most fans,
6. Kuusamo - start of World Cup,
7. Planica - the end of World Cup, legendary hill,
8. Vikersund - now the largest hill on the World.