Online changes

[Xinitiao]

Like a round of KO and then winners get paired for second round of KO, and so on until there is only a winner. Super fun. We don't need to be strict in the realistic world cup qualification and two rounds, especially for tournaments with fictional hills etc.

For more engagement, my idea is to pair winners with winners, losers with losers and so on, so that everyone jumps in every round and last round's winners are 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... x-1th.

[MikesCZ]

For more engagement, my idea is to pair winners with winners, losers with losers and so on, so that everyone jumps in every round and last round's winners are 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... x-1th.

Interesting, I like that! Pairings could also be made based on rating and competition would be a "collect as many wins as possible" with final standings calculated based on amount of times you won a duel + tiebreakers like better distance total, avg rating of opponents or I don't know.

I think we as players can provide thousand of ideas, but ultimately Jussi is the decision maker here...

[Xinitiao]

I think we as players can provide thousand of ideas, but ultimately Jussi is the decision maker here...

Afaik it's all in the scope of 1.12 so we can make a thread for brainstorming competition types

[SoBo]

Jussi any answer, what do you think about the proposed changes?

[Xinitiao]

1.Wind Conditions : We're dealing with backwinds or only crosswinds, high gate, and when we find front Wind with the WR gate wind power in 70% is less then 1.6/1,7 m/s, which is frustrating for the player.

Arguments: The player join to the game to enjoy the game, in this case it expects cool wind conditions, gets constant winds in the back and exits Online, simple.


and I'm not wrong because Winczaszek, Karciarz, or Sylwestrzuk repeatedly expressed their desire for such changes, by the time 24 Official DSJ Hills we had no less like 2 WR winds, in Q 1.9/2.0, in first round 2.1/2.2 but in in the third series front wind was verry offen 2.4/2.5, and now has a strength of 1.4, and still answer no wind Changes Br.Jussi, so if you dodn't change nothing, is time fix it because it broke itself

I was thinking a bit about it, and you may as well be right that the winds have changed after 1.8, it's just that you have been barking up the wrong tree about it
White I'm sure that the in-game wind algorithm has not changed, there was another thing that was - the hill windcharts. If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it. But nowadays it is ensured by the goriseks that you cant jump too far for their liking, so more hills are set that the wr conditions appear at most on 1.7 180* frontwind, and while you can roll 2.5 conditions on that, it's way more rare.

Note: I don't care enough about records to make a comparison of original 24 windcharts vs custom real windcharts, but anyone with some free time to spare is welcome to make it https://dsj4utils.netlify.app/windchart

If I'm right, feel free in being dissapointed at the winds, just don't complain to Jussi because it's not his fault, but to Sylwestrzuk, Winczaszek, Ślęczka and co.

[SoBo]

I don't know technically, on these things but i've been playing DSJ 4 Online since 2013, adn i know that something has changed which resulted in there are no players Online, and don't tell me that you don't see it yourself.I never even mentioned it, about restoring 2.4 front winds, i just want to inform Jussi,so many back winds 2m+ are more probable in game, han the blowing wind around 0.5, does not matter in which direction.

[Milosz Michalak]

I don't know technically, on these things but i've been playing DSJ 4 Online since 2013, adn i know that something has changed which resulted in there are no players Online, and don't tell me that you don't see it yourself.I never even mentioned it, about restoring 2.4 front winds, i just want to inform Jussi,so many back winds 2m+ are more probable in game, han the blowing wind around 0.5, does not matter in which direction.

I agree in 100%

[Milosz Michalak]

1.Wind Conditions : We're dealing with backwinds or only crosswinds, high gate, and when we find front Wind with the WR gate wind power in 70% is less then 1.6/1,7 m/s, which is frustrating for the player.

Arguments: The player join to the game to enjoy the game, in this case it expects cool wind conditions, gets constant winds in the back and exits Online, simple.


and I'm not wrong because Winczaszek, Karciarz, or Sylwestrzuk repeatedly expressed their desire for such changes, by the time 24 Official DSJ Hills we had no less like 2 WR winds, in Q 1.9/2.0, in first round 2.1/2.2 but in in the third series front wind was verry offen 2.4/2.5, and now has a strength of 1.4, and still answer no wind Changes Br.Jussi, so if you dodn't change nothing, is time fix it because it broke itself

I was thinking a bit about it, and you may as well be right that the winds have changed after 1.8, it's just that you have been barking up the wrong tree about it
White I'm sure that the in-game wind algorithm has not changed, there was another thing that was - the hill windcharts. If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it. But nowadays it is ensured by the goriseks that you cant jump too far for their liking, so more hills are set that the wr conditions appear at most on 1.7 180* frontwind, and while you can roll 2.5 conditions on that, it's way more rare.

Note: I don't care enough about records to make a comparison of original 24 windcharts vs custom real windcharts, but anyone with some free time to spare is welcome to make it https://dsj4utils.netlify.app/windchart

If I'm right, feel free in being dissapointed at the winds, just don't complain to Jussi because it's not his fault, but to Sylwestrzuk, Winczaszek, Ślęczka and co.

In my opinion, the DSJ algorithm has changed

[Maciejo-96]

I was thinking a bit about it, and you may as well be right that the winds have changed after 1.8, it's just that you have been barking up the wrong tree about it
White I'm sure that the in-game wind algorithm has not changed, there was another thing that was - the hill windcharts. If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it. But nowadays it is ensured by the goriseks that you cant jump too far for their liking, so more hills are set that the wr conditions appear at most on 1.7 180* frontwind, and while you can roll 2.5 conditions on that, it's way more rare.

Note: I don't care enough about records to make a comparison of original 24 windcharts vs custom real windcharts, but anyone with some free time to spare is welcome to make it https://dsj4utils.netlify.app/windchart

If I'm right, feel free in being dissapointed at the winds, just don't complain to Jussi because it's not his fault, but to Sylwestrzuk, Winczaszek, Ślęczka and co.

If you don't have enough knowledge about the subject and you try just to snipe anyone, just stay calm and don't write anything. There is no place for causticity and malice.

The problem with wind exists but not since 1.7/1.8. The problem exists since the beginning of DSJ4, so it's over 10 years. Nobody remembers that when online records became implemented to game, there was such a grinding first days and some people were leaving and joining no-rating server extremely often. Why? Because they wanted front-wind, even around 1 m/s, even just to beat actually existing record. So a few days later Jussi implemented a 120 seconds cooldown between leaving any online server and joining the same server. Also in that times, quite frequent on tournaments was ironical writing 'nice wind' or even 'thx Jussi' when there was a backwind. But if I see the talks 'but in past I had usually 2 m/s frontwind'... Maybe I was just unlucky? I had in past more frequent backwinds or sidewinds, frontwinds over 1 m/s were max 1-2 times per session, depending on how many hills were in game before custom hills era.

Also windcharts...

'If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it.'

No. It doesn't work like that. The wind amplitude is circa 1.6-1.8 m/s (tested on selected wind conditions in training), so even when average wind power is 1.6-1.7 m/s, there is still the slight possibilty to gate max wind 2.4-2.5 m/s. And to be honest this is the anomally because it causes often world records from gate +1 than the lowest possible to get. This is the thing which must be changed in the future.

[Milosz Michalak]

I was thinking a bit about it, and you may as well be right that the winds have changed after 1.8, it's just that you have been barking up the wrong tree about it
White I'm sure that the in-game wind algorithm has not changed, there was another thing that was - the hill windcharts. If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it. But nowadays it is ensured by the goriseks that you cant jump too far for their liking, so more hills are set that the wr conditions appear at most on 1.7 180* frontwind, and while you can roll 2.5 conditions on that, it's way more rare.

Note: I don't care enough about records to make a comparison of original 24 windcharts vs custom real windcharts, but anyone with some free time to spare is welcome to make it https://dsj4utils.netlify.app/windchart

If I'm right, feel free in being dissapointed at the winds, just don't complain to Jussi because it's not his fault, but to Sylwestrzuk, Winczaszek, Ślęczka and co.

If you don't have enough knowledge about the subject and you try just to snipe some, just stay calm and don't write anything. There is no place for causticity and malice. The problem with wind exists but not since 1.7/1.8. The problem exists since the beginning of DSJ4, so it's over 10 years. Nobody remembers that when online records became implemented to game, there was such a grinding first days and some people were leaving and joining no-rating server extremely often. Why? Because they wanted front-wind, even around 1 m/s, even just to beat actually existing record. So a few days later Jussi implemented a 120 seconds cooldown between leaving any online server and joining the same server. Also in that times, quite frequent on tournaments was ironical writing 'nice wind' or even 'thx Jussi' when there was a backwind. But if I see the talks 'but in past I had usually 2 m/s frontwind'... Maybe I was just unlucky? I had in past more frequent backwinds or sidewinds, frontwinds over 1 m/s were max 1-2 times per session, depending on how many hills were in game before custom hills era.

Also windcharts...

'If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it.'

No. It doesn't work like that. The wind amplitude is circa 1.6-1.8 m/s (tested on selected wind conditions in training), so even when average wind power is 1.6-1.7 m/s, there is still the slight possibilty to gate max wind 2.5 m/s. And to be honest this is the anomally because it causes often world records from gate +1 than the lowest possible to get.

Jussi please!!!! Will you change it?

[Xinitiao]

If you don't have enough knowledge about the subject and you try just to snipe anyone, just stay calm and don't write anything. There is no place for causticity and malice.


No. It doesn't work like that. The wind amplitude is circa 1.6-1.8 m/s (tested on selected wind conditions in training), so even when average wind power is 1.6-1.7 m/s, there is still the slight possibilty to gate max wind 2.4-2.5 m/s. And to be honest this is the anomally because it causes often world records from gate +1 than the lowest possible to get. This is the thing which must be changed in the future.

You just specified what I said before - that wr conditions can be achieved in wind that rolled an avg of 1.6-1.7.
What you failed to mention though is that you ensure that wr gate (+1) is available for max avg wind of around 1.7 instead of e.g. 1.9, so it's way harder to get the wr conditions, and even if you roll the 1.7 180* frontwind with a wr gate, you get the 2.4 wind way less often during hunting both offline and online. But you surely know that already

What it does is further raising time costs of record hunting, so having skill matters less than having more free time to burn

EDIT: PS show me where the "causticity and malice" is bc i dont see it, calling you out on your conscious decisions doesn't count as that in my book

[Maciejo-96]

'If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it.'

Read carefully. You wrote that about official hills. But you don't know that windcharts on those hills didn't change even once - but it looks like you try to tell everyone that Gorisek Bros. made changes also there. Very wrong thinking.

PS. You know where was a malice in your posts, just blaming Gorisek Bros. with no reason and no proof about things on what Gorisek Bros. had totally NO impact.

[Xinitiao]

'If e.g. a Jussi hill had a wr gate that appeared on 2.0 180* wind, it was pretty easy to roll good conditions on it.'

Read carefully. You wrote that about official hills. But you don't know that windcharts on those hills didn't change even once - but it looks like you try to tell everyone that Gorisek Bros. made changes also there. Very wrong thinking.

PS. You know where was a malice in your posts, just blaming Gorisek Bros. with no reason and no proof about things on what Gorisek Bros. had totally NO impact.

What? Of course not, I thought it was obvious I meant custom hills, as you cannot change windcharts without changing hashes of the hills.

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make a comparison of original 24 windcharts vs custom real windcharts

PS You [goriseks] have all the impact with regards to custom hills Take some public responsibility for a change

[JanK]

@Jussi, some answer would be highly appreciated. Thank you.

[Milosz Michalak]

@Jussi, some answer would be highly appreciated. Thank you.

Exactly xd



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