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WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 23 Nov 2013, 22:48
by Maciejo-96
WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23
Klasyfikacja końcowa po 24/24 konkursach

Poz.  Gracz                    Kraj        Ocena     I    II   III     N     Punkty
1.    Maciej Sylwestrzuk       POL          1634     7     1     2    24       1239
2.    Marcin Śliwiński         POL          1669     2     6     2    24       1191
3.    Zbigniew Smolarek        POL          1653     3     3     2    24       1017
4.    Szymon Gaiński           POL          1618     4     2     -    24        946
5.    Mateusz Greex            POL          1592     2     1     4    24        825
6.    pikolak                  POL          1618     1     -     6    24        787
7.    Bartek Winczaszek        POL          1600     -     2     4    22        774
8.    Martin Granholm          FIN          1573     -     2     2    24        670
9.    Daniel Turowski          POL          1537     2     1     1    24        666
10.   Marcin Grześkowiak       POL          1561     -     1     -    24        560
11.   Kalle Keltomäki          FIN          1545     -     1     -    24        522
12.   Michał Szkutnik          POL          1553     -     1     -    20        484
13.   Tomasz Adamczewski       POL          1463     -     -     1    24        471
14.   Admir Mujagic            SRB          1469     -     1     -    24        426
15.   Knut Arne Grosås         NOR          1432     1     -     -    24        402
16.   Dariusz Sidor            POL          1530     -     1     1    17        397
17.   Denis Klewczuk           POL          1514     1     -     -    24        387
18.   Mateusz Marciniak        POL          1492     -     -     1    24        385
19.   RUBASZ                   POL          1448     -     1     -    23        372
20.   Alexander Kurek          GER          1427     1     -     1    24        353
21.   Jakub Karas              POL          1408     -     -     1    24        323
22.   Martin Kafka             CZE          1486     -     -     -    24        319
23.   Steinar Hansen           NOR          1425     -     1     1    23        314
24.   Christian Hermann        GER          1449     -     1     -    24        293
25.   Artur Bała               POL          1382     -     -     -    24        284
26.   Georg Gasser             AUT          1393     -     -     -    24        278
27.   Iwo Beger                POL          1407     -     -     -    19        245
28.   Tino Kessler             GER          1421     -     -     -    21        228
29.   Nicklas Jensen           DEN          1384     -     -     1    24        223
      Peter Samuelis           SVK          1330     -     -     -    24        223
31.   Sergiusz Kriegel         POL          1372     -     -     -    24        218
32.   Maciej Kazanowski        POL          1335     -     1     -    24        192
33.   Dawid Bocianowski        POL          1389     -     -     -    24        170
34.   Łukasz Boczar            POL          1328     -     -     -    24        164
35.   Spendon Gavekort         NOR          1292     -     -     -    22        158
36.   Karol Górka              POL          1312     -     -     -    24        143
37.   Aappo Nikkilä            FIN          1259     -     -     -    24        115
38.   Artur Dzwończak          POL          1212     -     -     -    24        109
39.   Maciej Molenda           POL          1308     -     -     -    24         90
40.   Tomasz Bienek            POL          1322     -     -     -    24         84
41.   Andi D.                  NOR          1345     -     -     -    12         83
42.   Ståle Føynum             NOR          1208     -     -     -    24         77
43.   Daniel Noga              POL          1304     -     -     -    12         72
44.   Olli Tamminen            FIN          1258     -     -     -    24         63
45.   Konrad Wojtkowski        POL          1270     -     -     -    14         47
46.   Sławek Ruman             POL          1143     -     -     -    24         41
47.   Jani Novak               SLO          1146     -     -     -    24         38
      Markku Korhonen 2        FIN          1184     -     -     -    24         38
49.   Bartosz Szymczak         POL          1198     -     -     -    24         36
50.   Jakub Beránek            CZE          1147     -     -     -    19         34
51.   Adrian Kruszec           POL          1234     -     -     -    16         30
52.   Marek Jaroszewski        POL          1144     -     -     -    18         16
53.   Johann Höbart 2          AUT          1171     -     -     -    10         12
54.   Miika Töyräskoski        FIN          1108     -     -     -    24         10
55.   Miha Topolovec           SLO          1152     -     -     -    19          9
56.   Rafal Rzepczynski        POL           975     -     -     -    24          8
57.   Krzysztof Hyjek          POL          1234     -     -     -     5          7
58.   marko löytynoja          FIN          1096     -     -     -     4          6
59.   Jakub Michalik           POL          1198     -     -     -     2          2
60.   Sebastian Bednarczyk     POL           967     -     -     -    19          1
61.   Arkadiusz Koralewski     POL           861     -     -     -    24          0
      Bartek Palewicz          POL          1047     -     -     -     1          0
      Christian Ulrich 2       GER           848     -     -     -     6          0
      Dominik Andrzejczuk      POL           937     -     -     -    10          0
      ERIK ERIKSEN 2           NOR           948     -     -     -    24          0
      Famas Lamas              POL          1105     -     -     -     4          0
      Gutek70                  POL          1144     -     -     -    10          0
      Inge Borthne             NOR           629     -     -     -     2          0
      Jan Duske                GER           822     -     -     -     3          0
      Jan Kvil                 NOR           942     -     -     -    24          0
      Jan-Erik Strøm           NOR          1083     -     -     -     1          0
      Jernej Poženel           SLO          1118     -     -     -    24          0
      Jukka Korkea-aho         FIN           984     -     -     -    15          0
      Kay Strutzberg           GER          1026     -     -     -     3          0
      Lukasz Stanczak          POL          1094     -     -     -    13          0
      Marcin Paluch            POL           953     -     -     -    24          0
      Marcin Zamorski          POL           931     -     -     -    24          0
      Marcus Schütte           GER           945     -     -     -    24          0
      Timo Rissanen            FIN          1059     -     -     -     2          0
      Ville Nikander           FIN           854     -     -     -    21          0
      Yuichi Ono               JPN           921     -     -     -     2          0

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 23 Nov 2013, 23:04
by Bartek Palewicz
61.   Arkadiusz Koralewski     POL           861     -     -     -    24          0
      Bartek Palewicz          POL          1047     -     -     -     1          0
      Christian Ulrich 2       GER           848     -     -     -     6          0
      Dominik Andrzejczuk      POL           937     -     -     -    10          0
      ERIK ERIKSEN 2           NOR           948     -     -     -    24          0
      Famas Lamas              POL          1105     -     -     -     4          0
      Gutek70                  POL          1144     -     -     -    10          0
      Inge Borthne             NOR           629     -     -     -     2          0
      Jan Duske                GER           822     -     -     -     3          0
      Jan Kvil                 NOR           942     -     -     -    24          0
      Jan-Erik Strøm           NOR          1083     -     -     -     1          0
      Jernej Poženel           SLO          1118     -     -     -    24          0
      Jukka Korkea-aho         FIN           984     -     -     -    15          0
      Kay Strutzberg           GER          1026     -     -     -     3          0
      Lukasz Stanczak          POL          1094     -     -     -    13          0
      Marcin Paluch            POL           953     -     -     -    24          0
      Marcin Zamorski          POL           931     -     -     -    24          0
      Marcus Schütte           GER           945     -     -     -    24          0
      Timo Rissanen            FIN          1059     -     -     -     2          0
      Ville Nikander           FIN           854     -     -     -    21          0
      Yuichi Ono               JPN           921     -     -     -     2          0
Why wouldn't you all play at B? All of you had 0 points and ratings below 1200. You shouldn't play A, you should play B :wink:

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 00:04
by Zmaster
But if they like the big amount of competitors?

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 01:22
by Bartek Palewicz
It's 21 players that could play WC. Add to this 2 players that were on B, but weren't on A and you get 23. IMO that's not small amount of players.
And what do they get from the big amount of competitors? Having 0 points and losing rating all the time?

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 15:18
by Zmaster
Not everyone plays to win, some people have fun by participating and trying their best :)

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 16:25
by Bartek Palewicz
Zmaster wrote:Not everyone plays to win, some people have fun by participating and trying their best :)
I know, but in A they can't even try.

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 24 Nov 2013, 20:05
by Zmaster
I feel like there is no reason to limit their participation and it is rude to even suggest them to stay outside of A "because they can't try there".

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 25 Nov 2013, 15:36
by Szymon11
Maślana wrote:The weaker players should begin from World Cup B.
Why? If they want, they'll competite in WC A.
It's good case when on the server are more people, because the betters (like me, for example) can improve their rating :mrgreen:

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 25 Nov 2013, 20:03
by Bartek Palewicz
Szymon11 wrote:
Maślana wrote:The weaker players should begin from World Cup B.
Why? If they want, they'll competite in WC A.
It's good case when on the server are more people, because the betters (like me, for example) can improve their rating :mrgreen:
It's not a good case when shit players like me can't do anything online - there's no place for us in A, and no one plays B.
I used to play B, when my rating grew up i started doing A. IMO that's how it should be - you start at B, you get better, you go to A. Now there's no place i can get better. :(

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 11:51
by Martin Kafka
Possible solution to this would be setting the A server limit to 1200-9999. But I highly doubt Jussi would adopt such measure.

When you think of it, it does make sense, it works that way in FIS competitions. Weaker/novice jumpers first gain their experience in FIS Cup / Continenal Cup, in other words they start in lower rank competitions, and once they get better, they're allowed to try how they compare in World Cup. If they prove to be a success (Jacobsen/Schlierenzauer in '06), there's no reason for them to go back to CoC. If they struggle, they can always return to polish their skills some more (or happily settle with CoC for good). In our case, instead of a head coach, there's the server making decisions according to one's rating. Is it fair? I think so! Last but not least, it'd also add a new level of competitiveness for those seeking a challenge by "qualifying" for 'A' competitions.

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 12:09
by Jussi Koskela
Martin Kafka wrote:Possible solution to this would be setting the A server limit to 1200-9999. But I highly doubt Jussi would adopt such measure.
Then I could never join the A servers. ;)

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 12:27
by Martin Kafka
Jussi Koskela wrote:Then I could never join the A servers. ;)
I'm sure you can always grant yourself an exception for 'administrative' reasons ;) I can't imagine anyone complaining about your presence ;)
Plus, apart from TDD you don't seem to frequent that much :)

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 12:29
by Zmaster
I feel this virtual ski jumping fan community is different than professional ski jumping and I believe there is no need to _force_ players to separate from another.

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 13:35
by Martin Kafka
Zmaster wrote:I feel this virtual ski jumping fan community is different than professional ski jumping and I believe there is no need to _force_ players to separate from another.
Any kind of virtual entertainment (and people around it) will always differ from its real-world professional counterpart. I was merely trying to support my suggestion with a suitable comparison, and where else to look in a game that above all tries to be a faithful simulator following and adopting many rules and gameplay elements from FIS?

But I see your point - some may feel forced rather than motivated. I'm aware of this issue, I discussed it in this post.

I still think, however, that sometimes it's necessary or helpful to set up reasonable restrictions for players' own good.
I remember CoC from 2011/12, those competitions were great, many people attending, chat atmosphere was way better than in A - no cussing, spamming, kicking etc.
Don't you agree that helping to create two equally competitive leagues can only help to shape the Online game for better? If you only see the "force" element, this way you'll never be able to make any real improvements to the overall Online experience and climate.

Re: WC Saturday A - 20.00 CE(S)T 2013-11-23

Posted: 27 Nov 2013, 00:18
by MikesCZ
There is not enough players right now for two leagues setup in my opinion. But I agree that it is a good idea.
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