Well Jussi maybe in some rule book or whatever in ver 1.4 slowdown was cheating but the thing is that EVERYONE(well maybe almost) was using it and among players it wasnt a cheat, and if u didnt jump with slowdown u could easily do so, now its way diffrent, cause only few players are able to do that, It would be diffrent story if everyone was able to jump with slowdown now, It would be our choice to do so and no one would complain about it.
Now, what kind of proof do u need??? U want me to record on video Jal. or Pfl. during slowdown jump??? Well its impossible 4 me tto do so, Ask Martin Kafka if he still has Jaluvka replays u see there perfectly that he jumps with slowdown, and 4 me or any other jumper who had jump with slowdown in the past at least 4 a while its really easy to recognize if someone is jumping with slowdown or not
8 World records today..
Of course, everyone's records would stay as they are now, there would simply be a month's list.Sorry Vid I disagree with your idea because for people like myself who have spent hours and hours improving pbs to have them deleted that just isnt fair.
Another idea is to keep track of the hill records done only on official tournaments... that would not be hard, I could even do this myself...
br, Vid
Who needs drugs when you've got DSJ??
I still have few Jaluvka's replays, so if you want I can mail them to you or post them here.
OK, here they are: 33 Jaluvka's jumps. I'm not a specialist so I can't decide whether he uses slowdown. But hopefully you will be able to answer this question.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0r2oo5
OK, here they are: 33 Jaluvka's jumps. I'm not a specialist so I can't decide whether he uses slowdown. But hopefully you will be able to answer this question.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0r2oo5
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stefankrepper
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Jan Cihosky
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JUSSI IS RIGHT
I agree with all you guys. Pfleger and Jaluvka are most probably cheaters. I am almost sure of it. But, but, but.
1. There is no evidence so can't proove they are or they have been cheating.
2. If Pfleger and Jaluvka can cheat they are certainly not alone. So who else cheats?
3. If their records are deleted no problem for the two if they care, to register under fake name and set the world records again because it is not a big problem for them.
I am not proud to represent my country because of these players. Czech republic is strongly connected with cheating and cheaters and it is a shame for me. I am so sorry for these guys but still I can understand Jussi and he is right. He can take no actions at all.
One suggestion though I post here:
WR is so prestigious event that I think that the player who achive new WR MUST send a replay to a person Jussi will pick or Jussi himself and it will be strongly and thorougly checked and if there is no problem (no cheating visible) then the jump will become new official WR. There must be a way to check a replay for a presence of a cheat I am sure.
This is the way I thing the WR must go. Absolutely.
Greetings to all excellent online players and please belive that CZE is a country of great ski jumpers not just cheaters.
1. There is no evidence so can't proove they are or they have been cheating.
2. If Pfleger and Jaluvka can cheat they are certainly not alone. So who else cheats?
3. If their records are deleted no problem for the two if they care, to register under fake name and set the world records again because it is not a big problem for them.
I am not proud to represent my country because of these players. Czech republic is strongly connected with cheating and cheaters and it is a shame for me. I am so sorry for these guys but still I can understand Jussi and he is right. He can take no actions at all.
One suggestion though I post here:
WR is so prestigious event that I think that the player who achive new WR MUST send a replay to a person Jussi will pick or Jussi himself and it will be strongly and thorougly checked and if there is no problem (no cheating visible) then the jump will become new official WR. There must be a way to check a replay for a presence of a cheat I am sure.
This is the way I thing the WR must go. Absolutely.
Greetings to all excellent online players and please belive that CZE is a country of great ski jumpers not just cheaters.
United nations of DSJ
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Hi all
If u ask me i prefer that Jussi make a new game DSJ 1.7 and works on XP and Vista cuz I have tried on win 98 on my frend computer and slow down really works but I only jump on FRA 250+ but that is nt fer to you guys so I decide to quite jumping.
And also delete alll old site records cuz I think that CHE guys jump on 1.4 version and upload for 1.6 version(you know what the wind will be)
That is from me and I'm sad cuz this is a really good game
If u ask me i prefer that Jussi make a new game DSJ 1.7 and works on XP and Vista cuz I have tried on win 98 on my frend computer and slow down really works but I only jump on FRA 250+ but that is nt fer to you guys so I decide to quite jumping.
And also delete alll old site records cuz I think that CHE guys jump on 1.4 version and upload for 1.6 version(you know what the wind will be)
That is from me and I'm sad cuz this is a really good game
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stefankrepper
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I think the best is a new version with more cheating prevention.
I think a slowmotion jump needs much more time from jump to landing.
For every hill must be programmed a jumping time. when the time is over the normal time dsj close. Is that a chance ??
A Example: A normal jump in Slovenia takes 20 seconds, with slowmotion a jump takes 40 seconds. The program should registry the wrong jumping time and so comes an error.
I think a slowmotion jump needs much more time from jump to landing.
For every hill must be programmed a jumping time. when the time is over the normal time dsj close. Is that a chance ??
A Example: A normal jump in Slovenia takes 20 seconds, with slowmotion a jump takes 40 seconds. The program should registry the wrong jumping time and so comes an error.
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Jussi Koskela
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It's not that simple. The slowdown programs change the system clock, so the game always thinks that the jump took only 20 seconds.stefankrepper wrote: A Example: A normal jump in Slovenia takes 20 seconds, with slowmotion a jump takes 40 seconds. The program should registry the wrong jumping time and so comes an error.
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Re: .
It's not possible to import the hill records from versions earlier than 1.6. I fixed that in the last release.sitar wrote: And also delete alll old site records cuz I think that CHE guys jump on 1.4 version and upload for 1.6 version(you know what the wind will be)
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Jussi Koskela
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Re: JUSSI IS RIGHT
It's really difficult to distinguish replays made by skilled players from those made by using a slowdown program.Jan Cihosky wrote: WR is so prestigious event that I think that the player who achive new WR MUST send a replay to a person Jussi will pick or Jussi himself and it will be strongly and thorougly checked and if there is no problem (no cheating visible) then the jump will become new official WR. There must be a way to check a replay for a presence of a cheat I am sure.
This is the way I thing the WR must go. Absolutely.
People use different kind of mouse sensitivity, have different kinds of hardware etc, so there are many factors that affect the exact look of the jump.
Cheating is probably visible if you slow the game down to 1/10th of speed (because of limited reflexes), but it cannot be identified reliably if the speed is changed only by a small factor.
I see you deleted my post again, when it was only a joke...based on an type mistake by another dsj player... but i accept it..
But if the same people over and over again set new WR also in the future you cannot do anything about it?
Even if all the dsj player gets better and better, they get further and further away from the records...
But if the same people over and over again set new WR also in the future you cannot do anything about it?
Even if all the dsj player gets better and better, they get further and further away from the records...
There are as well some German and some Austrain guys, who stopped playing dsj3 in earlier versions because of cheating - all had fun, untill this cheating tools came up...
Some of these guys jumped very good, but in recordlistes they were in the land of nowhere, because of this cheaters...
I am sure even Jussi lost time and money because of this problem and as we know, some actions took place!
I for myself spend a lot of time in my records - I have a job, wife and kids - why should I spend my time in a game, where cheaters spoil my fun?
...just so long I see that the Gamemaster tries to do something about it - when my hope and fun disappears, I will not start dsj anymore... It is an easy solution...
What can be done?
Monthly lists? No - for a good record on one hill I need days - it depends on the level my records are...
Maybe a taskforce who checks records... When a record will be send to dsj, why not the replay of the jump itself too - make the Top 10 jumps of every country and hill public!
To check Top10 jumps of every country is not so much effort...
...and maybe there has to be the possibility to delete jumps, which are obviously made by cheaters!
Whats about synchronisation - the time on CPU, dsj3 Server and game? Whats about the replays? Maybe they can be made differently - that you see the "longer time" - I mean maybe replays can be done external and not internal dsj3 - so that replay is seperated from ingame time - to check the times in a seperate step...
Onlinerecords? The timewindow at onlinegame to do the jump is not so long - I think it is not so easy for cheaters - even there are other jumpers with the pressure of there tongue (how the conversation is during competitions)...
I think we need Onlinerecordlists with a crosscheck between dsj3 clock and serverclock...
...and maybe online every hill seperated with only good windconditions (but still changing but never wind from behind) - so called: "Try to beat your own record area..."
Logically, Jussi has to do something, because of his business, his idea and dream - we noncheaters can only support Jussi, as good as possible and maybe we should give him our input - even it sounds little strange... I still have hope that Jussi will find a solution... Maybe when he found the golden egg, we all get in a new version little more inrun speed to kick out all cheater records...
greetings
OS
Some of these guys jumped very good, but in recordlistes they were in the land of nowhere, because of this cheaters...
I am sure even Jussi lost time and money because of this problem and as we know, some actions took place!
I for myself spend a lot of time in my records - I have a job, wife and kids - why should I spend my time in a game, where cheaters spoil my fun?
...just so long I see that the Gamemaster tries to do something about it - when my hope and fun disappears, I will not start dsj anymore... It is an easy solution...
What can be done?
Monthly lists? No - for a good record on one hill I need days - it depends on the level my records are...
Maybe a taskforce who checks records... When a record will be send to dsj, why not the replay of the jump itself too - make the Top 10 jumps of every country and hill public!
To check Top10 jumps of every country is not so much effort...
...and maybe there has to be the possibility to delete jumps, which are obviously made by cheaters!Whats about synchronisation - the time on CPU, dsj3 Server and game? Whats about the replays? Maybe they can be made differently - that you see the "longer time" - I mean maybe replays can be done external and not internal dsj3 - so that replay is seperated from ingame time - to check the times in a seperate step...
Onlinerecords? The timewindow at onlinegame to do the jump is not so long - I think it is not so easy for cheaters - even there are other jumpers with the pressure of there tongue (how the conversation is during competitions)...
I think we need Onlinerecordlists with a crosscheck between dsj3 clock and serverclock...
...and maybe online every hill seperated with only good windconditions (but still changing but never wind from behind) - so called: "Try to beat your own record area..."
Logically, Jussi has to do something, because of his business, his idea and dream - we noncheaters can only support Jussi, as good as possible and maybe we should give him our input - even it sounds little strange... I still have hope that Jussi will find a solution... Maybe when he found the golden egg, we all get in a new version little more inrun speed to kick out all cheater records...
greetings
OS
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Kjell Arild Korbøl
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Is it possible to make a version where windows XP/vista is required Jussi?
A online record list would be nice, and I think that would make more people jump online again.
Suggestions for online record list:
If someone jumps a new wr, the replay automatically get saved to mediamond.fi and linked so everyone can download and watch it. (top 10 for example could be linked for download)
example:
World League: Finland HS218 (TOP-1000)
1. Stepan Pfleger CZE 2008-04-08 228.84m 100 Replay
2. dejan sitar SLO 2007-11-29 228.73m 80 Replay
3. Josef Jaluvka CZE 2008-03-28 228.62m 60 Replay
4. Hubert Borowiecki POL 2008-02-05 228.56m 50 Replay
5. Joonas Pakarinen FIN 2008-03-20 227.56m 45 Replay
Everyone can enjoy the records, learn from the best jumpers and off course be able to filter/find cheaters.
A online record list would be nice, and I think that would make more people jump online again.
Suggestions for online record list:
If someone jumps a new wr, the replay automatically get saved to mediamond.fi and linked so everyone can download and watch it. (top 10 for example could be linked for download)
example:
World League: Finland HS218 (TOP-1000)
1. Stepan Pfleger CZE 2008-04-08 228.84m 100 Replay
2. dejan sitar SLO 2007-11-29 228.73m 80 Replay
3. Josef Jaluvka CZE 2008-03-28 228.62m 60 Replay
4. Hubert Borowiecki POL 2008-02-05 228.56m 50 Replay
5. Joonas Pakarinen FIN 2008-03-20 227.56m 45 Replay
Everyone can enjoy the records, learn from the best jumpers and off course be able to filter/find cheaters.
