Tournament 02/05/07 results and discussion

Post by **Jussi Koskela** » 02 May 2007, 21:23

I was 16th myself in the tournament, which is my best positision so far. Just fell out of top15 in the last hill...

Jani Oravisjärvi · Post by **Jani Oravisjärvi** » 02 May 2007, 22:23

Congratulations to Heiko. Tight fight on the top.

I was only 24th.... Very bad jumping and I had huge problems to move jumper immediately after take-off. At least ending was slightly better and jumped my only ok position in last hill.

sajdor · Post by **sajdor** » 02 May 2007, 22:39

yeah, Not that ?Im a huge star and evry singel jump of mine is perfect bu I wanna say somethin about wind, well wind today was a B. S. aprox. 90% of the tournament my wind was a mistake, but for some wind was a miracle, and Im not sayin this as a explenation to my performence becouse Im happy with my tonight jumps.I know that some of you will say, realx its for fun, well its not Exhibition is for fun, not a tournament, and I know that the "miracles" with wind will continue , I think Jussi will not change this( at least not in this version).To sum up wind is crap, and its killing joy and also fun of jumping.
ps Congratulations to winners, I hope you will get my wind next time and we will see then.\ : )

Heikiest · Post by **Heikiest** » 02 May 2007, 23:30

@jani
Thanks. Was a tough competition, I'm happy with the result

@sajdor
I can't believe that your wind was worse than the wind of others.

sajdor · Post by **sajdor** » 02 May 2007, 23:52

well belivet couse its true, next time I will make some replays for unbelivers

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 03 May 2007, 10:29

sajdor wrote:well belivet couse its true, next time I will make some replays for unbelivers

Lukasz, everytime you've shout about the wind I had the same bad wind (and i guess not only me) ... you have to consider the possibilty that the other jumpers aren't the bad, too

Don't blame the wind! Blame the skills

And of course congratulations to Heiko for winning this tournament!

Heikiest · Post by **Heikiest** » 03 May 2007, 11:18

Thanks Torsten

sajdor · Post by **sajdor** » 03 May 2007, 16:12

well you miss my point, Imk not saying that Heiko or someone else is a bad jumper, all I wanna is a fair wind and competition

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 03 May 2007, 16:31

sajdor wrote:well you miss my point, Imk not saying that Heiko or someone else is a bad jumper, all I wanna is a fair wind and competition

IMHO it was a fair competition ... of course it is annoying if a low wind from front turns into a wind from behind (while other jumpers are getting bigger wind from front) ... but shit happens ... and not to you only

And BTW: in the quali round on (i think) SVK i had this situation around +0,7ms on top of the hill, -2ms at the landing (around -1,5 during the flight) ... and ... 2nd place ... you just have to jump in another way when the wind comes from behind ... (it wasn't the only hill where this happened, but on this hill I did a perfect jump

)

And anymore: You can be sure if you have -3,5ms on top of the hill, the other players have -3,0ms... -4,0ms, too!

sajdor · Post by **sajdor** » 03 May 2007, 19:28

There are hills that you can do what you did like Slovakia or Belgium but try to be 2nd with that wind on eg. China, Slovenia, Korea... and many more. Would it be for to you if for example on World Champ. Malysz had 2.0 face wind and Uhrman 2.0 back? would you like it? But the true reason that Im "cryin" about this is not that i had diffrent wind on few hills becouse it happend before, it is becouse I had diffrent(bad) wind on aprox. 85-90% of all hills, and it doesnt seems fair to me, and I just hope that this will not happend again

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 04 May 2007, 10:07

sajdor wrote:... it is becouse I had diffrent(bad) wind on aprox. 85-90% of all hills, and it doesnt seems fair to me, and I just hope that this will not happend again

Where do you "know" that from? Did you see the wind of the other jumpers?

sajdor · Post by **sajdor** » 04 May 2007, 12:02

weel i ve seen their results, results that canot be done with back wind. And one more time I Know that not only me had bad wind but there where people who had waaaay better wnd

Post by **Ivelak** » 04 May 2007, 12:44

sajdor wrote:weel i ve seen their results, results that canot be done with back wind. And one more time I Know that not only me had bad wind but there where people who had waaaay better wnd

Hi!
Perhaps somebody can buy 5 keys to DSJ3, install them to 5 PC:s which are side by side, and test winds!

ereml hajric · Post by **ereml hajric** » 04 May 2007, 13:15

I got nothin here to say,I wanna say just check topic ideas/suggestions/deifference in wind,Frode tested wind on two computers...and there was to much variation...

when I played on-line I saw sometimes amazing variations...like Sajdor says...on SLO,CRO,GER can't be so much difference in flayed meters betwen two good jumpers...so wind is not the same for all...in that I am shore...wind starts from the same point...but then???

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 04 May 2007, 13:18

sajdor wrote:weel i ve seen their results, results that canot be done with back wind. And one more time I Know that not only me had bad wind but there where people who had waaaay better wnd

SO .. in a tournament you do at least 32 jumps (up to 96, if you qualify for EVERY rounds second jump). The probability of getting badder when than most of the players is 50% (for EVERYONE). We have a very selective perception and we will remember the jumps with badder wind more often than the jumps with better wind ... so normally EVERYONE gots around 30-50 jumps with badder wind than the others ...

(remember: the starting wind conditions on top of the hill are nearly the same for everyone!)