Who will win 4 hills tournament?

Discussion about ski jumping.

Who will win the 4 hills tournament?

Poll ended at 30 Dec 2011, 15:27

Andreas Kofler
5
10%
Anders Bardal
12
23%
Robert Kranjec
2
4%
Thomas Morgenstern
3
6%
Severin Freund
2
4%
Gregor Schlierenzauer
5
10%
Daiki Ito
0
No votes
Richard Freitag
9
17%
Simon Ammann
1
2%
Kamil Stoch
11
21%
Roman Koudelka
2
4%
Tom Hilde
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 52

Risto Salonen
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Re: Who will win 4 hills tournament?

Post by Risto Salonen »

Arto Sihvola wrote:But the case with innsbruck is that Daiki Ito was left in awful conditions aswell with Kamil Stoch (maybe not as bad but still). People who say that conditions change after jumper left the gate, but who the hell does Innsbruck change from Oberstdorf? There was alot of jumpers that got awful conditions and im not even talking about Ito and Stoch. We got wind and gate compensation to "fix the problems", and i dont see how Oberstdorf was ANY diffrent from innsbruck.
The compensation system is not perfect, we still have to prepare ourselves for some bad luck caused by slightly varying wind conditions because ski jumping is an outdoor sport. You're right that Innsbruck and Oberstdorf weren't that different - the problem in Oberstdorf was they tried to fix something that wasn't even broken in the first place. A single long jump from Daiki Ito shouldn't have been enough to bring down the gate, let alone Jernej Damjan's 129 meters. They completely failed to anticipate rapid changes in wind directions which resulted in unfairness. Minor changes aren't unfair, it's a part of ski jumping. Bergisel is actually quite well known for unstable winds.

In extreme cases like Daiki Ito in Innsbruck, the jury should consider giving the contestant another attempt if there's a massive breach of wind corridor. There was a case in Sapporo where Janne Ahonen was given another chance because the take-off conditions where unfairly poor.
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Re: Who will win 4 hills tournament?

Post by Risen »

Don't you have a feeling, that at least inrun should be built with a transparent roof, like a tunnel? It would be much easier to keep the tracks clean. Covering the entire hill with something like that could also avoid extreme wind conditions to interrupt the competition, but that would be a lot more expensive.
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Re: Who will win 4 hills tournament?

Post by mario123m »

Risen wrote:Don't you have a feeling, that at least inrun should be built with a transparent roof, like a tunnel?
That's exactly what I thought today while watching Bischofshofen competition. :D
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