Suggested changes to Weekly Online Tournaments

[Jussi Koskela]

I have now setup a server "World Cup - Experimental" which introduces my suggestion of the new structure of Weekly Online Tournaments.

Each tournament will consists of:

• 4 ski flying hills
• 22 large hills
• 6 normal hills

The hills will be chosen randomly based on odds derived from the historical data from real World Cup / Continental Cup / FIS Cup / World Championship / Ski Flying World Championship / Olympic competitions. Oberstdorf HS137, Garmisch-Partenkirchen HS140, Innsbruck HS128 and Bischofshofen HS142 will be competed always using the KO mode.

The available hills and the relative odds of their occurence:

Ski flying hills

• Planica-HS240-SLO: 13.14
• Vikersund-HS240-NOR: 8.50
• Bad Mitterndorf-HS235-AUT: 8.44
• Oberstdorf-HS235-GER: 8.19
• Harrachov-HS205-CZE: 2.84

Large hills

• Oberstdorf-HS137-GER: [Competed always]
• Innsbruck-HS128-AUT: [Competed always]
• Garmisch-Partenkirchen-HS140-GER: [Competed always]
• Bischofshofen-HS140-AUT: [Competed always]
• Sapporo-HS137-JPN: 15.65
• Willingen-HS145-GER: 15.61
• Zakopane-HS140-POL-2: 15.01
• Oslo-HS134-NOR: 14.73
• Engelberg-HS140-SUI: 14.56
• Lahti-HS130-FIN: 14.48
• Lillehammer-HS138-NOR: 14.20
• Kuusamo-HS142-FIN: 13.59
• Wisła-HS134-POL: 10.11
• Klingenthal-HS140-GER: 10.02
• Titisee-Neustadt-HS142-GER: 8.92
• Trondheim-HS138-NOR: 8.53
• Kuopio-HS127-FIN: 6.98
• Planica-HS138-SLO: 6.82
• Brotterode-HS117-GER: 6.31 (NEW)
• Val di Fiemme-HS134-ITA: 5.38
• Nizhny Tagil-HS134-RUS: 5.25
• Pyeongchang-HS142-KOR: 4.99
• Pragelato-HS140-ITA: 4.52
• Park City-HS134-USA: 4.37
• Zhangjiakou-HS140-CHN: 4.36
• Whistler-HS142-CAN: 4.13
• Sochi-HS140-RUS: 3.84
• Rena-HS139-NOR: 3.49
• Vikersund-HS117-NOR: 3.13
• Falun-HS134-SWE: 2.97
• Liberec-HS136-CZE: 2.78
• Einsiedeln-HS117-SUI: 2.66
• Lake Placid-HS128-USA: 2.48 (NEW)
• Stams-HS115-AUT: 2.45
• Harrachov-HS142-CZE: 1.29
• Erzurum-HS140-TUR: 1.28 (NEW)
• Westby-HS118-USA: 0.78
• Courchevel-HS135-FRA: 0.74
• Shchuchinsk-HS140-KAZ: 0.40
• Oberhof-HS140-GER: 0.23
• Chaux Neuve-HS118-FRA: 0.10

Normal hills

• Rasnov-HS97-ROU: 7.94
• Sapporo-HS100-JPN: 7.80
• Lillehammer-HS98-NOR: 7.33
• Pyeongchang-HS109-KOR: 6.58
• Villach-HS98-AUT: 6.21
• Sochi-HS106-RUS: 6.14
• Ljubno-HS94-SLO: 6.11
• Zhangjiakou-HS106-CHN: 6.08
• Planica-HS102-SLO: 6.03
• Zao-HS102-JPN: 5.94
• Oslo-HS106-NOR: 5.81
• Oberstdorf-HS106-GER: 5.74
• Lahti-HS100-FIN: 5.24
• Val di Fiemme-HS106-ITA: 5.05
• Falun-HS100-SWE: 4.87
• Notodden-HS98-NOR: 4.62
• Whistler-HS104-CAN: 4.47
• Hinzenbach-HS90-AUT: 4.34 (NEW)
• Kranj-HS109-SLO: 4.14
• Szczyrk-HS104-POL: 4.10
• Seefeld-HS109-AUT: 3.88
• Park City-HS100-USA: 3.86
• Frenštát pod Radhoštěm-HS106-CZE: 3.24
• Pragelato-HS106-ITA: 3.20
• Liberec-HS100-CZE: 2.92
• Rovaniemi-HS100-FIN: 2.52
• Hinterzarten-HS108-GER: 2.06
• Ramsau am Dachstein-HS98-AUT: 1.74
• Oberwiesenthal-HS105-GER: 1.73
• Oberhof-HS100-GER: 1.66
• Zakopane-HS105-POL: 1.29
• Kuopio-HS100-FIN: 1.21
• Chaykovskiy-HS102-RUS: 1.19
• Eisenerz-HS109-AUT: 1.18
• Kandersteg-HS106-SUI: 1.17
• Rena-HS109-NOR: 0.85
• Štrbské Pleso-HS100-SVK: 0.66 (NEW)
• Brattleboro-HS98-USA: 0.62 (NEW)
• Otepää-HS97-EST-2: 0.57
• Erzurum-HS109-TUR: 0.53
• Courchevel-HS96-FRA: 0.53
• Eau Claire-HS95-USA: 0.46
• Shchuchinsk-HS99-KAZ: 0.40
• Premanon-HS90-FRA: 0.39
• Örnsköldsvik-HS100-SWE: 0.38
• Winterberg-HS87-GER: 0.14 (NEW)

If the concept works, we can take this system into use in WOTs in the upcoming weeks.

Edit 2022-01-04: Adjusted the odds to take Olympics and World Championships into account + fixed few errors.
Edit 2022-02-11: Added Oberstdorf HS106 and Zhangjiakou HS140.
Edit 2022-02-17: Added Oslo HS134, Zhangjiakou HS106 and Premanon HS90
Edit 2022-03-28: Added Erzurum HS109 and Sochi HS106
Edit 2022-08-19: Added Sapporo HS100, Oslo HS106 and Rovaniemi HS100
Edit 2022-12-12: Added Notodden HS98
Edit 2023-03-02: Added Sochi HS140, Whistler HS104 and Chaykovskiy HS102. Replaced Zakopane HS94 with Zakopane HS105. Updated odds for all hills.
Edit 2024-03-04: Added Brotterode HS117, Lake Placid HS128, Erzurum HS140, Hinzenbach HS90, Štrbské Pleso HS100, Brattleboro HS98 and Winterberg-HS87. Replaced Wisła HS134 with new version. Updated odds for all hills.

[Maciejo-96]

Imagine getting Örnsköldsvik, Pyeongchang or Eau Claire in first possible WOT...

But anyway, good change to be honest. Finally no medium hills on WOTs.

[Jussi Koskela]

Imagine getting Örnsköldsvik, Pyeongchang or Eau Claire in first possible WOT...

I can promise that you won't see those three ever during the same WOT.

[MikesCZ]

Sounds really great, let's play and see how it works. Thanks for the effort!

EDIT: Played the cup couple times today and the hill selection is great! Very good mix of originals and customs.

[Jussi Koskela]

I made small adjustments to the list of hills / odds to take the Olympics and World Championships into account and to fix some errors. The changes are listed in my original post. "World Cup - Experimental" server has been updated accordingly.

[Jussi Koskela]

The new hills and the new hill selection system have now been taken into use for Weekly Online Tournaments.

[MikesCZ]

The new hills and the new hill selection system have now been taken into use for Weekly Online Tournaments.

Are you also planning to update the non stop world cup and warm up rooms with this new selection system? Would be nice

[Jussi Koskela]

Are you also planning to update the non stop world cup and warm up rooms with this new selection system? Would be nice

All the servers which have a pool of 71 hills are already using the new system.

[Jussi Koskela]

Oberstdorf HS106 and Zhangjiakou HS140 are now included to WOTs.

[Jussi Koskela]

Erzurum HS109 and Sochi HS106 are now included to WOTs.

[Jussi Koskela]

Sapporo HS100, Oslo HS106 and Rovaniemi HS100 are now included to WOTs.

[Jussi Koskela]

Notodden HS98 is now included to WOTs.

[Aleks_124]

Can Trondheim HS138 be addeed to retro hills?

[Jussi Koskela]

Can Trondheim HS138 be addeed to retro hills?

I already classified Trondheim HS138 as a retro hill, so it is part of the retro hills server.
But it's still also part of the WOTs (like few other recently rebuilt/still under construction hills ). Once/if we get new rebuilt versions of the hills to DSJ4 I will replace them in WOT.

[Jussi Koskela]

Sochi HS140, Whistler HS104 and Chaykovskiy HS102 are now included to WOTs. I also replaced Zakopane HS94 with Zakopane HS105.
The odds for all hills have been updated according to latest competition data.