8 World records today..

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 24 Apr 2009, 15:00

And there is another statistical "problem" with his scores:

Norway   	HS138 	146.59m 
Finland   	HS218 	233.22m 
Czech Republic 	HS192 	208.16m 
Japan   	HS248 	282.32m 
Italy   	HS146 	154.28m 
Russia   	HS223 	240.52m 
Slovakia 	HS180 	197.54m 
Austria 	HS197 	216.02m 
Canada       HS107 	117.18m 
Poland   	HS269 	296.38m 
Switzerland 	HS157 	168.71m 
Sweden   	HS121 	130.01m 
Germany 	HS261 	289.32m 
USA         HS171       182.97m 
France      HS235       255.32m 
Slovenia 	HS281 	327.78m 
Estonia 	HS185 	205.02m 
Romania 	HS228 	250.43m 
Denmark 	HS93 	100.02m 
Ukraine 	HS203 	220.41m 
Belgium 	HS126 	140.03m 
United Kingdom 	HS85 	92.54m 
Kazakhstan 	HS164 	178.34m 
Bulgaria 	HS258 	289.32m 
Korea   	HS174 	189.13m 
The Netherlands HS100 	108.12m 
Spain   	HS242 	265.59m 
Australia 	HS149 	160.57m 
China   	HS252 	280.02m 
Belarus 	HS214 	236.14m 
Hungary 	HS117 	124.73m 
Croatia 	HS278 	315.66m 
Lithuania 	HS153 	164.51m 
Serbia 	        HS69 	73.48m 
Turkey   	HS177 	190.07m 
Argentina 	HS240 	263.26m 
Georgia 	HS207 	230.97m 
Latvia   	HS80 	86.14m 
Bosnia    	HS111 	117.01m 
Iceland 	HS275 	314.72m

Do you see it? Have a look at the last number in each length!

You will not find any 0 or 5!

Because every 5th jump will have a length ending with 0 or 5 the probability of not having one single record with this last number is: 0,013% or 1 : 7500

Finding a player with 40 records, including ZERO records with 0 or 5 at the end PLUS including 5 records with less then 10 cm over a 10m-Mark should normally be impossible,
cause the probability for that (both probabilitys are independent!) is:
1 : 150 Million

So it looks like the lengths are done manually, 0s and 5s are skipped (maybe because he thinks it looks too artifically

or he cannot generate correct checksums for such numbers ... what the completely same lengths in GER an BUL are indicating, too) and too many lenghts were generated for showing new milestones (like 190 in Turkey and so on)

BTW: The google cache of the worldrecords from april 06 is saying the same: no records with 0 or 5 ...

Schnitzel · Post by **Schnitzel** » 24 Apr 2009, 15:37

BUSTED!

onkelsmerte · Post by **onkelsmerte** » 24 Apr 2009, 16:18

This proves that he cheats ? Math was never my strongest subject

Severin · Post by **Severin** » 24 Apr 2009, 16:39

It does not really prove it, but it's quite a strong indication that there's something wrong with his results...

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 24 Apr 2009, 16:44

onkelsmerte wrote:This proves that he cheats ? Math was never my strongest subject

This says: if you have a look at the hillrecs of all players at this moment then NORMALLY 1 of 150 Million players with 40 records on the 40 hills will have scores, that will show this pattern:
- zero records of this 40 records have a 0 or 5 at the last position
- 5 or more records will look like 130.02, 140.01, 280.01 (0...9 cm over a 10m-Mark)

For Waldemar's records does this mean:
a) he doesn't jump normal with random result (he is manipulating the scores manually)
b) it's just a coincidence and everyting is ok

The chance for b) is 1:150 Million, so it's the same chance as if i would say to you "think of random number between 1 and 150000000" and then i would tell you exactly THIS number (5986307 for istance).
Another example: it's easier throwing a dice 10 times and always getting a 6 (with only ONE attempt).

Grufugl · Post by **Grufugl** » 26 Apr 2009, 11:42

Torsten wrote:Finding a player with 40 records, including ZERO records with 0 or 5 at the end PLUS including 5 records with less then 10 cm over a 10m-Mark should normally be impossible, cause the probability for that (both probabilitys are independent!) is:
1 : 150 Million

Wow

I guess now he is thinking hard what to write in his next rec

If he still avoids 0 or 5 at the end, the statistics will keep looking extremely bad for him, and if he chooses 0 or 5 it will look as if he read your post and is manipulating to mend the problem

Torsten · Post by **Torsten** » 26 Apr 2009, 19:04

Grufugl wrote:Wow I guess now he is thinking hard what to write in his next rec If he still avoids 0 or 5 at the end, the statistics will keep looking extremely bad for him, and if he chooses 0 or 5 it will look as if he read your post and is manipulating to mend the problem

It doesn't matter if future records will be more random or if they are showing 0s and 5s. If i have a look at the scores on april 24th then the chances of seeing score like Waldemars with the described pattern is 1:150000000 ... so if he is reading this thread and is changing his ARTIFICIAL style of scoring then this wouldn't change the chance of seeing such scores at the day i was looking at them (april 24/23)

Grufugl · Post by **Grufugl** » 26 Apr 2009, 21:15

Torsten wrote:this wouldn't change the chance of seeing such scores at the day i was looking at them (april 24/23)

I'm aware of that. I am simply amused of what must be a big frustration for him. Anyway, good job Torsten

Krzysztof Stuchlik · Post by **Krzysztof Stuchlik** » 29 Apr 2009, 18:26

JUSSI

YOU MUST TAKE CHEATER RELAYS!!!

You can write in mediamond in top place!!!!

Pfleger, Jaluvka, Waldemar must give replat, if not they records will be canneled!!!!

Jussi please get this in top in web!!!!
We must get his replays!!!! Because We know that 327,78 its not possible!!!!! You know about this!!!!

Michał Skalik yesterday said me that he end carrer!!!! Because you don't figth with cheaters!!!! He will be jumping only in online......

Jussi please !!!!

Write in top on mediamond web!!!!

I know that my englisch is bad sorry, but I'm really angry!!!

Bjørn Andre Monsen · Post by **Bjørn Andre Monsen** » 29 Apr 2009, 23:54

I AGREE!!!!!

banan123 · Post by **banan123** » 07 May 2009, 21:20

Italy HS-146 Stepan Pfleger CZE 2009-03-17 154.59m
Italy HS-146 Matej Novak SLO 2006-12-13 154.14m (version 1.5)

Pfleger has joined the game.

onkelsmerte · Post by **onkelsmerte** » 07 May 2009, 22:12

Insane lenght

Jose_Bach · Post by **Jose_Bach** » 06 Nov 2009, 13:56

Funny coincidence in SP's "world records": Switzerland 170,00 m and Bulgaria 290,00 m. As well there is in Korea 189,99...

Can it be just coincidence? In my opinion it can't, especially when we talk about "The 3 (or 4) Greatest"

goldcz · Post by **goldcz** » 31 Dec 2009, 03:49

Wow, i am playing offline quite a while and online for one day now! Czech is really some type of swearword here, just because of these two guys with an ego-problem.
I asked Jussi to change my license to czech..although I am half german half czech. Dont be czechophobic...specially polish seem a bit....come on you are not all thiefs just cause most cars desappear in your direction.

But I totally agree with deleting both...its so annoying to see their names all the time!